Max Speed of Car: 80m Track & .40 Coeff of Friction

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The discussion revolves around determining the maximum speed of a car on a flat, circular track with a radius of 80.0 m and a coefficient of friction of 0.40. Participants are exploring the relationship between forces acting on the car, particularly focusing on friction and centripetal force.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to apply Newton's Second Law and centripetal acceleration equations to the problem. There is confusion regarding the normal force and its dependence on mass, as well as how to incorporate time and distance into their calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem symbolically rather than numerically. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between mass, normal force, and centripetal force, with multiple interpretations being considered.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraint of not having a specific mass value, which is affecting their ability to fully resolve the equations. The focus remains on understanding the relationships between the variables involved.

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Homework Statement


"what is the maximum speed at which a car can safely travel if the radius of the track is 80.0 m and the coefficient of friction is .40"
friction is providing the force and the track is flat and circular.


Homework Equations


the equations that we've been using in class are:
Fnet=ma
a= V^2/r
w=mg
force of friction= (coefficient of friction)(normal force)



The Attempt at a Solution


I set up the Newton's Second Law for centripetal force (Fnet=ma) and know that the Fnet would be the coefficient times the normal force. I set up the acceleration equation (a=V^2/r). But I'm confused about finding the normal force without a mass. I know that velocity is distance divided by time and that the distance would be 2∏r, but I don't know how you would find it that way without time. What am I missing?
 
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just set mass to m for now and go through with and see what happens.
 
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Let normal force be N and mass be M .How are they related ?
 
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okay so I did (.40)(m)(9.8)=m(V^2/80)
which comes to be 3.92m=m(V^2/80)

and then I tried substituting V^2 with 160pi/time because of 2(pi)(r)
how do I work with the two variables?
 
normal force is the mass times gravity?
 
RoyG said:
normal force is the mass times gravity?

Symbolically ,N=Mg

Now what is the equation of centripetal force ? Please do not plug in the values .Work in terms of symbols .
 
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You have an m on each side... sooo...
 
F stands for centripetal force, M stands for mass, and a stands for centripetal acceleration. This is the formula we used in class:
F=ma
Is this the equation of centripetal force or just Newton's 2nd Law for Circular Motion?
 
RoyG said:
F stands for centripetal force, M stands for mass, and a stands for centripetal acceleration. This is the formula we used in class:
F=ma
Is this the equation of centripetal force or just Newton's 2nd Law for Circular Motion?

Centripetal acceleration = v2/R .It is the same thing as 'a' in ƩF = Ma .There is nothing called Newton's Law for circular motion.

Which force provides the car centripetal acceleration (i.e acceleration towards the center) ? Equate this force to Mv2/R just like you do in ƩF = Ma .
 
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