Max voltage of an air capacitor

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The discussion revolves around a parallel plate capacitor filled with air, focusing on calculating the maximum voltage and charge it can hold given specific parameters such as area, plate separation, and breakdown field strength.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between capacitance, voltage, and charge, questioning the calculations presented for capacitance and the resulting charge. There is a specific inquiry about the apparent discrepancy in capacitance values derived from different approaches.

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Some participants have offered clarifications regarding the calculations, while others have acknowledged potential misunderstandings in the interpretation of the results. The conversation reflects an ongoing examination of the mathematical relationships involved without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants are working within the constraints of the problem statement and are addressing potential errors in calculations, particularly regarding the powers of ten in the context of capacitance and charge values.

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Homework Statement


(a) A parallel plate capacitor has area A = 1 cm2, a plate separation of d = 0.01m, and is filled with air. If the breakdown field is E0 = 3 × 106V/m, calculate the maximum voltage and charge the capacitor can hold.

Homework Equations


dielectric constant of air = 1

Q=CV

Vmax = E0 x d

The Attempt at a Solution


The breakdown field is the minimum electric field at which a material ionizes; in air, this means a sparkforms.Maximum voltage:$$V{max}=\varepsilon_0\times d =(3\times10^6\times0.01) =(3\times10^4)V = 30kV$$To find the maximum charge corresponding to V = 30kV, we need the capacitance of the parallel platecapacitor,$$\frac{(8.85×10^{-12})\times(0.0001)}{0.01}=\frac{(8.85×10^-16)}{0.01}=8.85×10^{-14}F=0.0885pF$$$$V{max}=(3\times10^4 )\times(0.0885\times10^{-12}) =(3\times10^4)V=30kV$$The charge is determined from C = Q/V :$$Q=CV=(3\times10^4 )\times(0.0885\times10^{-12}) =2.655\times10^9C=2.655nC$$
 
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HelloCthulhu said:
The charge is determined from C = Q/V

$$\frac{(8.85×10^{-12})\times(0.0001)}{0.01}=\frac{(8.85×10^-16)}{0.01}=8.85×10^{-14}F=0.0885pF$$
##Q=CV=(3\times10^4 )\times(0.0885\times10^{-12}) =2.655\times10^9C=2.655nC##
Why two different values for the capacitance?
 
kuruman said:
Why two different values for the capacitance?

I might not understand what you mean by "two different values for the capacitance", but I'll try to clarify.

To find the maximum charge for the capacitor, I first have to find the capacitance:

$$\frac{(8.85×10^{-12})\times(0.0001)}{0.01}=\frac{(8.85×10^-16)}{0.01}=8.85×10^{-14}F=0.0885pF$$

This is the maximum charge:

$$Q=CV=(3\times10^4 )\times(0.0885\times10^{-12}) =2.655\times10^9C=2.655nC$$
 
No problem, my mistake. I looked at the powers of 10 not noticing that you shifted the decimal over. It looks fine except that 109C should be 10-9C, but I know what you mean because you have nC in the end.
 
Oops! Thank you for catching that!

Maximum charge:

$$Q=CV=(3\times10^4 )\times(0.0885\times10^{-12}) =2.655\times10^-9C=2.655nC$$
 

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