Maxima and Minima in calculus

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the problem of determining the radius of a right circular cylinder that maximizes the curved surface area when inscribed in a given cone. Participants explore the mathematical derivation and geometric interpretation of the relationship between the dimensions of the cylinder and the cone, including the use of calculus to find maxima and minima.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the curved surface area of the cylinder can be expressed as S = 2πr*h, where h is related to the dimensions of the cone.
  • Another participant suggests a coordinate system to visualize the cone and derive the height of the cylinder in terms of the cone's dimensions, leading to the equation h = H*(R – r)/R.
  • A different participant draws a picture to illustrate the problem and seeks to prove the relationship $\frac{h}{H}=\frac{(R-r)}{R}$.
  • Further, a participant reformulates the relationship in a 3D coordinate system, expressing the height of the cylinder as a function of the radius and cone dimensions, confirming the earlier derived relationship.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical relationships involved in the problem, but there are multiple approaches and interpretations presented without a consensus on a single method or solution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the geometry of the cone and cylinder, as well as the application of calculus to find maxima. Some steps in the derivation may depend on specific interpretations of the geometric setup.

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Question: Prove that the radius of the right circular cylinder of greatest curved surface area which can be inscribed in a given cone is half of that of the cone.

Answer:

Let r and h be the radius and height of the right circular cylinder inscribed in a given cone of radius R and height H. Let S be the curved surface area of cylinder.

S = 2πr*h

h = H*(R – r)/R
( Would any Math help board member provide me the detailed explanation of the computation of height of right circular cylinder of greatest curved surface inscribed in a given cone with a figure (as far as possible) ?

So S = 2πr*H(R – r)/R

= $\frac{2πH}{R}(r*R – r^2)$

Differentiate w.r.t.r

$\frac{dS}{dr} = \frac{2πH}{R}(R – 2r)$

For maxima or minima

$\frac{dS}{dr} =0$

=> $\frac{2πH}{R}(R – 2r) = 0$

=> R – 2r = 0

=> R = 2r

=> $r = \frac{R}{2}$

$\frac{d^2S}{dr^2} = \frac{2πH}{R}*(0 – 2)= \frac{-4πH}{R }$(negative)

So for $r = \frac{R}{2},$ S is maximum.
 
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Draw a picture. From the side, a cone of radius R and height h looks like s triangle. I would set up a coordinate system with x-axis along the base, y-axis along the altitude, and origin at the center of the base. Then the peak is at (0, h) and one vertex is at (R, 0). The line between those two points, on the side of the cone, is given by y= -(h/R)x+ h. At x= r, y= -hr/R+ h= h(1- r/R).

The area of the curved side is $2\pi rh(1- r/R)$.
 
I drew a picture describing this question. Now, how can we prove $\frac{h}{H}=\frac{(R-r)}{R}$
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The cone has height H and radius R. Set up a coordinate system so the origin is at the center of the base and the z axis passes through the vertex. Then the vertex is at (0, 0, H) and the x-axis passes through the cone at (R, 0, 0). The line through those two points, in the xz-plane, is given by $z= H\frac{R- x}{R}$.

Taking x= r, for the cylinder, we get $h= H\frac{R- r}{R}$ or, dividing both sides by H, $\frac{h}{H}= \frac{R- r}{R}$.
 

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