Maximal number of independent random variables

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The discussion revolves around the maximal number of independent binary random variables in a sample space with 2^n points. Participants explore the implications of this statement, considering mathematical induction, examples, and definitions of independence and dependence among random variables.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Pitter, proposes that the maximal number of independent binary random variables in a sample space of size 2^n is n.
  • Another participant suggests using mathematical induction to prove the statement, indicating it seems straightforward.
  • A participant presents an example with 4 observations and 3 independent variables, questioning the validity of the initial claim.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about how to algebraically define dependent random variables, providing definitions related to probability and linear dependence.
  • A different participant challenges the original statement by providing examples where they estimate models with more independent variables than suggested by the claim.
  • One participant concludes that, when viewed as a vector space, the maximum number of independent binary random variables could be 2^n, contradicting the original assertion.

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Participants do not reach a consensus. There are competing views regarding the maximal number of independent binary random variables, with some supporting the original claim and others providing counterexamples and alternative interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about definitions of independence and dependence, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the arguments presented.

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Hi all,

assume we have a sample space with 2^n points. (it size is 2^n for some natural n)
I need to prove that the maximal number of independent binary (indicator) random variables (which are not trivial, i.e. constant) is n...



Thnks,
Pitter
 
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Have you tried mathematical inuction on n. It seems pretty straightforward.
 
I am not sure that I understand.

Say I have 4 obs with 3 independent variables:

y x1 x2 x3
10 1 0 1
11 1 0 0
12 0 1 0
20 0 1 1

I can estimate the model y = b1 x1+ b2 x2 + b3 x3 + u with the following results:
b1 = 8.75
b2 = 14.25
b3 = 3.5
 
I've tried induction,

but I still don't get it...

I don't really know how to algebraically define
dependent random variables (dependent by their random variable function)
 
I am not convinced that the statement is true. Did you see my example?

n = 3
2^n = 8

Since I can uniquely and independently estimate a 3-variable model with 4 observations, I can surely estimate, say, a 4-variable model with 8 observations. Yet the statement implies that with 8 observations the maximal number of variables is 3.

Another example with 2^3 = 8 observations and 4 independent binary variables:
x1 x2 x3 x4
1 0 1 0
1 0 0 1
0 1 0 1
0 1 1 1
1 0 1 1
1 0 0 1
0 1 0 1
0 1 1 0
 
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fishy_1980 said:
I don't really know how to algebraically define
dependent random variables (dependent by their random variable function)
Random variables X and Y are dependent if Prob{X = x and Y = y} [itex]\ne[/itex] Prob{X=x}Prob{Y=y}, or equivalently, Prob{X < x and Y < y} [itex]\ne[/itex] Prob{X<x}Prob{Y<y}.

Alternatively, variables x1, x2, x3 and x4 are linearly dependent if there exists a1, a2, a3 such that x4 = a1 x1 + a2 x2 + a3 x3. Equivalently, they are lin. dep. if there exists a1, a2, a3 and a4, not all equal to zero, such that a1 x1 + a2 x2 + a3 x3 + a4 x4 = 0.

Neither of my examples above is a case of linear dependence.
 
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thanks EnumaElish,

I think you're right,
and if looking at it that way (as vector space) the maximum number of independent binary random variables above 2^n points in the sample space, is 2^n...and not n.
 

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