Maximising shelf space in a given room

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around optimizing shelf space in a room, focusing on the mathematical and practical considerations involved in maximizing perimeter while minimizing area. Participants explore various configurations and access requirements, emphasizing a theoretical approach rather than specific dimensions.

Discussion Character

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests maximizing the perimeter of shelf units while minimizing their area, proposing a comb shape as a potential configuration.
  • Another participant discusses maximizing the expression for perimeter (2w + 2d) while minimizing the area (wd), noting the importance of width over depth for book storage.
  • A question is raised about the specific amount of human access space required and whether overhead and underfoot space should be considered.
  • One participant proposes using mirrors to enhance visibility between shelves, addressing the overhead and underfoot concerns.
  • Another participant expresses interest in a generic solution rather than specific dimensions, indicating a desire to understand the underlying mathematical process.
  • A suggestion is made to determine the space needed for a person and a ladder, proposing the use of 2' square shelves on casters to maximize storage while allowing movement.
  • One participant argues that the problem is too complex for a single formula and suggests using a computer program to explore various configurations, highlighting the need for practical considerations like shelf length and vertical spacing.
  • Another participant agrees that a computer approach is necessary and mentions that vertical spacing can be managed based on the books' dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on how to approach the problem, with no consensus on a single solution or method. There is agreement on the complexity of the problem and the potential need for computational assistance, but differing opinions on specific configurations and access requirements remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various practical considerations, such as the need for human access space, the dimensions of books, and the limitations of shelf materials. The discussion reflects the complexity of balancing multiple design goals without arriving at a definitive solution.

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How do I calculate how to do this?

I believe I need to maximise the perimeter of the units while minimising the area they take up, and also allowing access space for a human.

I will probably end up with a comb shape, but I am intellectually curious about the mathematics involved. No need for exact dimensions as I'm more interested in generic formula.

Let's discount the variable configuration units that slide out, since I want to view all my books at once.
 
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If the shelfs are 2-dimensional (meaning you don't worry about their height) and

rectangular with sides w,d (width, depth) , then

you want to maximize the expression 2w+2d , while minimizing wd. But I imagine

width is more important than depth (since more depth will not, in general,

allow you to store more books), so maybe you just want to maximize w , and

choosing d large-enough to store the books.
 
How much human access space would you specify? Also, is overhead and underfoot space considered?
 
Btw - with the overhead and underfoot question I considered the viewable requirement achievable with mirrors on ceiling and floor between shelves.
 
There are lots of websites on maximising area with minimising perimeter but so few of the reverse!

Enosis, I am more interested in a generic solution, even though I do have a specific room to fit, i would like to understand the process. I'm not worried about exact details like the amount of space a human needs as it can be expressed as a variable in an equation.
 
Please consider this solution. Determine the size required for a single person and a folded ladder to reach the ceiling - perhaps 2 sq ft? If the space is an even number of sq ft - construct 2' square shelves (accesible from 4 sides) on casters and extending from floor to ceiling. Fill the entire room with these shelves except for the human space and 1 additional 2' square space - this will allow you to move about through the room and utilize the ladder.
 
d3mm said:
I am intellectually curious about the mathematics involved. No need for exact dimensions as I'm more interested in generic formula.

Only the simplest of real life situations can be solved by a single formula. Your problem is too complex for that. A practical way to approach your problem would be to write a computer program that tried a large number of configurations. You would have to specify the algorithms that determine if there is sufficient space for a human being to access the books conveniently and that is probably not a simple algorithm to write. You have to include other other practical considerations such as shelf length and shelf vertical spacing. Unless you are a metal worker, if you use metal shelves to have the advantage of the vertically thin shelf, you only find these made in certain lengths. If you use wood (or thin metal) you have the problem that a long shelf will sag. A clear space of 10 1/2 between shelves and a shelf depth of 10 inches is enough to accommodate most books but there will be a few bigger ones and if all your shelves have that spacing, the tall books would have to go on the top of the bookcase or on their sides.

Practical design problems are very interesting. Good designs are often compromises between several contradictory goals.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
A practical way to approach your problem would be to write a computer program that tried a large number of configurations.

I tried to cut out out pieces of paper and move them about. I think you are correct that a computer is needed.

I can deal with vertical spacing because that is pre-defined by the books I have.
 

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