Maximizing (ab+bc+ca) with a+2b+c=4

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The problem involves maximizing the expression (ab + bc + ca) under the constraint a + 2b + c = 4, where a, b, and c are real numbers.

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  • Participants discuss substituting variables and simplifying expressions to find a maximum value. There are attempts to differentiate a quadratic expression derived from the original problem. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the differentiation and the resulting values for a, b, and c.

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Participants are actively exploring different approaches to the problem, including substitution and differentiation. Some have provided partial results and are questioning the outcomes of their calculations, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without reaching a consensus.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the differentiation process and the resulting values, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their calculations and the maximum value obtained.

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Homework Statement


Let a,b,c be real numbers such that a+2b+c=4. Then the max value of (ab+bc+ca) is

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I am trying to substitute for b into the second expression but that won't give me the answer. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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I am trying to substitute for b into the second expression but that won't give me the answer.
Why?
The approach is fine, what do you get as result?
 
Note that a + c = 4-2b
and ab + bc + ac is the same as b(a + c) + ac

So you can write X = b(4-2b) + ac.
That's a quadratic that you can differentiate wrt b to find a maximum for X at a particular b. You can also find what ac must be from the same result.

After that, a few substitutions gives you the answer.
 
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mfb said:
Why?
The approach is fine, what do you get as result?

b=\dfrac{4-a-c}{2}
Now substituting this into the second expression and simplifying I get
\dfrac{4(a+c)-(a^2+c^2)}{2}

Whats next?
 
AJ Bentley said:
Note that a + c = 4-2b
and ab + bc + ac is the same as b(a + c) + ac

So you can write X = b(4-2b) + ac.
That's a quadratic that you can differentiate wrt b to find a maximum for X at a particular b. You can also find what ac must be from the same result.

After that, a few substitutions gives you the answer.

Here's what I did

-2b^2+4b+ac
Differentiating wrt b and setting it to 0
-4b+4=0
b=1
a+c=2
Now , ac=c(2-c)
Diff again wrt c and setting it to 0
c=1
a=1
Substituting a,b and c I get maximum value = 3

But the answer is 4. I can't find out my mistake. Maybe there is something wrong with differentiation.
 
utkarshakash said:
b=\dfrac{4-a-c}{2}
Now substituting this into the second expression and simplifying I get
\dfrac{4(a+c)-(a^2+c^2)}{2}

Whats next?
The derivative with respect to a is 2- a and the derivative wth respect to c is 2- c. Set those equal to 0 and you get a= c= 2 which then gives b= 0.
 
HallsofIvy said:
The derivative with respect to a is 2- a and the derivative wth respect to c is 2- c. Set those equal to 0 and you get a= c= 2 which then gives b= 0.

Thanks
 

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