Maximizing Cam Follower Mass for Contact with Rotating Cam: A Dynamic Analysis

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The discussion revolves around determining the necessary mass to attach to a spring in a cam follower system, ensuring that the follower remains in contact with a rotating cam. Participants explore the dynamics involved, including forces, accelerations, and the relationship between the cam's rotation and the follower's motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for the follower's position as Y(θ)=h/2(1-cos(θ)) and suggests that the follower's loss of contact is most likely at θ=90° due to maximum acceleration requirements.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the initial formula and proposes an alternative expression for the follower's motion, indicating a need to consider the total mass of the system, including the roller follower.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of considering all moving masses driven by the cam and suggests creating multiple plots to analyze the system dynamics, including position, velocity, acceleration, and spring force against cam angle.
  • There is a suggestion to use the equation F=ma to determine conditions for maintaining contact, with specific conditions outlined for when the follower may lose contact with the cam.
  • Further inquiry is made about whether the possibility of losing contact is limited to the downward motion of the cam and how to approach finding the maximum mass through differential equations.

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Participants express differing views on the necessary considerations for the mass and dynamics of the system, with no consensus reached on the correct approach or formula to use. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to ensure the follower remains in contact with the cam.

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Participants highlight the need for clarity in defining the system and the importance of considering all components' masses. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the dynamics of the follower and cam interaction.

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Hello,
I have a problem in which I know the constant of the spring,the maximum and minimun force that the spring does to the camand the rotational speed of the cam.I am asked to find the necessary mass to attach to the spring in the follower so the follower always stays in contact with the cam.I am attaching the picture of the cam and the follower.Also we know that the Y(θ)=h/2(1-cos(θ) 0<θ<90 the follower goes up 90<θ<180 the follower goes down and on 180<θ<360 the follower is dwelling/
 

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Hi,
i_am_imbact said:
Also we know that the Y(θ)=h/2(1-cos(θ)
Do we ? Looks more like the red guy:

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And the most likely place to lose contact is at ##\theta = 90^\circ## where the spring has to accelerate maximum the whole lot: roller, washer, spring itself, roller follower and whatever it attached above.

[edit]although the amplitude is less: ##y = 1-1/2\,\cos(2\theta)## or so.
 
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BvU said:
Hi,
Do we ? Looks more like the red guy:

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And the most likely place to lose contact is at ##\theta=906 \circ## where the spring has to accelerate maximum the whole lot: roller, washer, springitself, roller follower and whatever it attached above.
Sorry I made I mistake I meant 1-cos(2θ) also we don't consider the roller , spring and washers have any mass,we only need to find a relation for the mass of the roller follower so the cam is always in touch with the roller.I though maybe if we make the ode of the roller follower and we demanded that the y(θ) is a solution we find the necessary mass
 
Zero is best :smile:
 
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i_am_imbact said:
also we don't consider the roller , spring and washers have any mass,we only need to find a relation for the mass of the roller follower so the cam is always in touch with the roller
NO, NO, NO. You need to consider ALL of the moving mass driven by the cam. And your question makes sense if you are looking for the maximum mass for a certain speed of the cam.

The solution starts with a clear description of the system. In this case, start by making four plots. Each plot covers 360 degrees of cam rotation. One plot is cam follower position vs rotation angle, one plot is follower velocity vs rotation angle, the third plot is follower acceleration vs cam angle, and the fourth plot is spring force vs cam angle. The first two plots are not strictly necessary, but you should do them in order to better understand the system.

Then you use F = ma, where F is the spring force, m is the total cam follower moving mass, and a is the acceleration of the moving mass. When F = ma, the follower is losing contact with the cam. When F > ma, the follower stays in contact with the cam. When F < ma, the follower loses contact with the cam.
 
jrmichler said:
NO, NO, NO. You need to consider ALL of the moving mass driven by the cam. And your question makes sense if you are looking for the maximum mass for a certain speed of the cam.

The solution starts with a clear description of the system. In this case, start by making four plots. Each plot covers 360 degrees of cam rotation. One plot is cam follower position vs rotation angle, one plot is follower velocity vs rotation angle, the third plot is follower acceleration vs cam angle, and the fourth plot is spring force vs cam angle. The first two plots are not strictly necessary, but you should do them in order to better understand the system.

Then you use F = ma, where F is the spring force, m is the total cam follower moving mass, and a is the acceleration of the moving mass. When F = ma, the follower is losing contact with the cam. When F > ma, the follower stays in contact with the cam. When F < ma, the follower loses contact with the cam.
Thank you very much,
Also I would like to ask you if the possibility for the follower to lose contact with the cam only lies when the cam is going down.Also for example with a=a(θ) and F=-Kx , x=x(θ),in order to find the maximum mass we need to form the equation w(θ)=-K*x(θ)/x''(θ) and find the maximum for these equation between 90<θ<180?
 

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