Maximizing Symmetry in Lagrangian for a Particle in 3D Cylindrical Coordinates

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The discussion focuses on maximizing symmetry in the Lagrangian for a particle in three-dimensional cylindrical coordinates, specifically when the potential energy is a function of \( r \) and \( k\theta + z \). The Lagrangian is defined as \( L = T - V \), where \( T \) is the kinetic energy and \( V \) is the potential energy. The user attempts to identify translational symmetry by transforming the coordinates \( r \rightarrow r+s \) and \( \theta \rightarrow \theta-s/k \). The suggestion to use \( r, \theta, \) and \( u = k\theta + z \) as generalized variables is proposed to leverage the identified symmetry effectively.

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Homework Statement



the question is that there is a particle in 3 spatial Euclidean dimensions in cylindrical coordinates.
I want to find a symmetry for the lagrangian if the potential energy is function of r and k.theta+z
V=V(r,k.theta+z)


Homework Equations



k is constant
L=T-V
T is kinetic energy

The Attempt at a Solution


i tried to find translational symmetry
r --> r+s
theta --> theta-s/k
im not sure any help please ?
 
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I'm not through with checking this example, but it looks as if it could be a good idea to use
r, \theta, and
u=k \theta + z
as the generalized variables and then perform the Lagrangeformalism. It's easy to see that with this choice of variables you make use of the very symmetry you've already identified!
 

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