Maximum angular velocity and free body diagram

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block on an inclined surface, focusing on the maximum angular velocity and the corresponding free body diagram analysis. Participants are examining the forces acting on the block and their components in relation to the motion described.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of the free body diagram, questioning the direction of forces and the corresponding signs in the equations. There is an exploration of the relationship between centripetal acceleration and the forces involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's interpretations of the free body diagram and the equations used. Some guidance has been offered regarding the signs of the forces and their directions, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a specific solution value (1.8) that does not match the calculations presented by some participants, indicating potential discrepancies in the setup or interpretation of the problem. The discussion also highlights the importance of correctly identifying the axes and the direction of forces.

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Homework Statement


I have found the question I am having trouble with here:

http://www.chegg.com/homework-help/questions-and-answers/block-mass-m-rest-surface-incline-adistance-h-10cm-base-height-incline-ish-50cm--coefficie-q218123

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The Attempt at a Solution


After doing my free body diagram, I picked the vertical axis to be y and the horizontal axis to be r.
Force total in the r direction= Fnsinθ-Ffrcosθ= m((v^2)/r)
In the y direction, = Ffrsinθ + FnCosθ-mg=0, b/c a=0

If this box is not to be in motion, then the sum of these forces should be zero. I set the two equations = to zero, while solving for v, but it did not come out to the 1.8 that is given as a solution. Are my components at least correct? If so, where am I going wrong?
 
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fredrogers3 said:
s to be y and the horizontal axis to be r.
Force total in the r direction= Fnsinθ-Ffrcosθ= m((v^2)/r)
In which direction does each of those forces act? What is the direction of acceleration?
 
Don't the negative and positive signs indicate the direction? This is knowing that r is positive to the right and y is positive upwards.
 
fredrogers3 said:
Don't the negative and positive signs indicate the direction? This is knowing that r is positive to the right and y is positive upwards.
I was hinting that you have some signs wrong.
 
haruspex said:
I was hinting that you have some signs wrong.

I see a is negative, but I don't see anything wrong with the other signs. My rough free body diagram is attached
 

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fredrogers3 said:
I see a is negative, but I don't see anything wrong with the other signs. My rough free body diagram is attached
You diagram is fine as far as I can tell (you don't show where the axis is). I ask again, which way is the centripetal acceleration? Which of the forces you have in the equation act in that direction?
 
haruspex said:
You diagram is fine as far as I can tell (you don't show where the axis is). I ask again, which way is the centripetal acceleration? Which of the forces you have in the equation act in that direction?

Pointing towards the center, thus, technically it is -v^2/r. However, does that have any bearing on the sign of the components of the normal force and friction? I thought that had to do with which way the coordinate axes point
 
fredrogers3 said:
Pointing towards the center, thus, technically it is -v^2/r. However, does that have any bearing on the sign of the components of the normal force and friction? I thought that had to do with which way the coordinate axes point
The correct equation is certainly Ffrcosθ - Fnsinθ = m((v^2)/r). But maybe you fixed it up later in your calculation somehow.
I get 1.99 rad/sec, not 1.8. What do you get? If not 1.99, please post the details of your whole calculation.
 

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