Maximum impact parameter given effective potential

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of maximum impact parameter in the context of effective potential and particle capture in gravitational fields, as presented in a classical mechanics textbook. Participants are exploring the relationship between particle energy, effective potential, and conditions for capture.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the textbook's assertion that larger particle energies lead to capture, suggesting that lower energies should logically result in capture due to insufficient energy to escape gravitational potential.
  • Another participant questions the reasoning behind the claim that larger energies lead to capture.
  • A participant reiterates the textbook's condition for capture, ##V_{eff}^{max}\leq E##, indicating a lack of understanding about its implications.
  • It is noted that the condition implies a smaller impact parameter and smaller cross section for capture at higher energies.
  • Another participant points out that the equation relates angular momentum and energy, suggesting that increased energy correlates with increased angular momentum, which complicates the initial intuition about capture.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are competing interpretations of how energy affects capture conditions and the implications of the effective potential equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the relationship between energy, angular momentum, and capture conditions, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of the underlying physics.

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This problem is from David Morin's classical mechanics textbook:
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I am having trouble with Part b. Here is the textbook's answer:
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I do not understand why large particle energies lead to capture. I would think that smaller energies would lead to capture because the particle wouldn't have enough energy to escape the gravitational potential, whereas large energy particles could woosh past. If someone could explain why my intuition is wrong, that would be very helpful.
 
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How do you make out that larger energies lead to capture?
 
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PeroK said:
How do you make out that larger energies lead to capture?
That's what the answer says, "The condition for capture is therefore ##V_{eff}^{max}\leq E## " That is the part of the answer that I don't understand
 
stephen8686 said:
That's what the answer says, "The condition for capture is therefore ##V_{eff}^{max}\leq E## " That is the part of the answer that I don't understand
That condition resolves into a smaller impact parameter and smaller cross section for capture for greater energy.
 
stephen8686 said:
That's what the answer says, "The condition for capture is therefore ##V_{eff}^{max}\leq E## " That is the part of the answer that I don't understand
That equation in itself is about the relationship between angular momentum and energy. But, angular momentum increases with energy if other factors are held constant, so it doesn't say what you are thinking it says.
 

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