May i know is structure such as bcc, fcc depends on how it process?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between material processing and crystal structures, specifically focusing on body-centered cubic (bcc), face-centered cubic (fcc), simple cubic (sc), and hexagonal close-packed (hcp) structures. Participants explore whether these structures are inherent to materials or influenced by processing methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the meaning of "structure" in materials and questions whether processing methods influence the formation of bcc or fcc structures or relate to imperfections in crystal structures.
  • Another participant lists processing-dependent characteristics such as surface roughness, grain size, and precipitate size that affect material behavior.
  • A participant questions if processing affects the formation of sc, hcp, bcc, or fcc structures, and whether these structures exist naturally or are dependent on processing.
  • It is suggested that processing can influence crystal structure, particularly when materials are cooled rapidly, leading to potential metastable phases or amorphous states. The role of additives in stabilizing certain structures is also mentioned.
  • A later reply clarifies that metals have inherent crystal structures (fcc, bcc, hcp) as properties of the elements, while alloys may adopt the predominant element's structure but can exhibit different forms based on processing. The impact of cooling rates on grain size and the effects of surface finish on environmental interactions are also discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether crystal structures are inherent to materials or influenced by processing. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the relationship between processing and crystal structure.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors such as cooling rates and alloying that may affect crystal structure, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of processing and inherent properties.

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i study from some books that the properties of a materials depends on the structure of it, while the structure depends on how it being process..may i know what structure actually it means? i can't get its meaning..does it means the processing methods will influnce whether the materials will be in bcc or fcc structure? or the imperfection of crystal structure? i am quite confused with it..
 
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Surface roughness, grain size and precipitate size (in metals), and degree of crosslinking (in polymers) are all examples of processing-dependent characteristics that affect behavior.
 
then may i know does process affect the material to becomes sc, hcp,bcc or fcc structure?
does sc, hcp, bcc or fcc structure exist itself in the natural or it depends on the proccesing part?
 
It can depend on processing, such as when a material is cooled rapidly to a temperature where the existing phase is unstable, but transformation to the stable phase is very slow. One can even make amorphous metals this way. Another possibility is to include additives that stabilize a certain crystal structure, but I wouldn't classify this as processing as much as alloying.
 
aiklone1314 said:
then may i know does process affect the material to becomes sc, hcp,bcc or fcc structure?
does sc, hcp, bcc or fcc structure exist itself in the natural or it depends on the proccesing part?
Metals have inherent crystal structure. Some of fcc or bcc and others are hcp. That is a property of the element. Alloys are more complex, but usually take the crystal structure of the predominant element. Some alloys can take two forms based on processing.

Grain size is affected by cooling rate from liquid. The more rapid the quench, the finer the grain size. Solid materials can be hot or cold worked, which causes the formation of dislocations, lines of defects in the crystal, which when the metal is annealed form new grain boundaries.

Surface finish/roughness affects the interactions with environment. A rougher surface offers more surface area for chemical interaction, e.g., corrosion, or mechanical affects, e.g. friction.
 

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