MCNP4c2: Fission Reactions in a Spherical Subcritical Reactor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around simulating fission reactions in a spherical subcritical reactor using MCNP4c2, particularly focusing on the calculation of fission reactions per second with an external neutron source. The context includes aspects of reactor design for space applications and the use of specific materials such as Uranium and Beryllium.

Discussion Character

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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on using MCNP4c2 for their thesis simulation involving a spherical subcritical reactor with low U-235 content and an external neutron source.
  • Another participant inquires about the specifics of the user's questions and the completeness of their MCNP installation, suggesting that the version is old but still usable.
  • The original poster expresses their intention to calculate energy released from fission reactions and mentions having the neutron source spectrum, questioning the capability of MCNP4 for their needs.
  • A later reply confirms that MCNP4 should be capable of performing the desired calculations and advises on locating relevant documentation, including user and theory manuals.
  • Participants discuss the importance of understanding the SDEF card for source definition and suggest using F6 and F7 tallies for heat deposition and fission energy, respectively.
  • There are recommendations to explore F4 tallies for particle flux and to consider the geometry of the reactor, including the potential use of spherical shells for refining tallies.
  • One participant suggests starting with neutrons only before potentially adding photons, indicating the need to understand various cards like MODE and PHYS for advanced simulations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the capabilities of MCNP4c2 for the proposed simulation tasks, but there is no consensus on specific methodologies or configurations, as various approaches and considerations are discussed.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential challenges of using an older version of MCNP, the need for specific documentation, and the dependence on the accuracy of input parameters such as neutron source characteristics and material properties.

Dimitris Catzis
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I want some help to make a simple simulation of a sub critical reactor with external source
Hi, i am new to simulation and for my thesis i have to make a simple simulation by using mcnp4c2. Is anybody familiar with this version of MCNP?

I need to calculate the fission reactions per second in a geometry of a spherical sub critical reactor of Uranium with low percentage of U 235 with external neutron source.
Thanks a lot.
 
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Did you have specific questions?

MCNP version 4 is pretty old, but usable. Do you have the full install? Do you have the documents?

What do you want to get out of your simulation?
 
Hi,
thanks for your response.

I think i have the full installation( about 1.4 GB).

I want to calculate the energy released from fission reactions from a spherical geometry of Uranium with the neutron source at the center and Beryllium as shielding, I have the spectrum of the neutron source. My thesis is about sub critical reactor for space applications. Is this version capable?
 
You should be able to do that with MCNP4.

You need to find the documents directory in your install. It should include a user manual. Also there should be a theory manual. If you've got source code there should be a developer's manual. IIRC, back in MCNP4 days they routinely included the source code so you might have it. Read up on how to set up the cells with the materials. Read up about tallies of type F6 (heat deposition) and F7 (fission energy) particularly. Then you will need to know the number of neutrons per second the source releases and use that to normalize everything. The tallies report their results in "per particle started." So you convert to "per second" by using the neutrons per second the source releases.

Also, carefully read about the SDEF card. This is the source definition card. It allows you to specify the location and energy of source particles.

Other possible things you might be interested in are F4 tallies. These give you the particle flux. You could also investigate things like the total number of neutrons generated from any given source neutron. This gives you an estimate of how close to criticality your reactor is. (Hmm... The spell checker on Physics Forums does not know criticality. Hmm...) You could compare that to what you get from a KCODE calculation, which you should also read up on.

You may want to play around with your geometry. For example, just because the material in a sphere is all the same you don't automatically want just a single sphere. You might want some spherical shells to allow you to refine your tallies. Maybe you want to figure out how much heat gets deposited in each layer.

Probably as a first pass through you want to use neutrons only. Once you get your geometry and materials correct, and you are happy with your SDEF and tallies, then you might want to add photons. This means you will need to read up on the MODE card, and possibly about the PHYS card. Some things you will be limited by the available cross section libraries.
 

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