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The discussion revolves around a ThermoFluid project involving the design and analysis of a gas turbine power station. Participants are addressing various tasks related to system components, thermal efficiency, heat recovery, and exergy analysis, with a focus on both theoretical and practical aspects of the design.

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  • One participant outlines a problem statement detailing the specifications of a gas turbine power station, including peak demand, efficiency, and fuel characteristics.
  • Another participant provides a URL to resources and calculators that may assist with the project, indicating a willingness to help.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in finding specific solutions and requests further assistance or alternative resources, indicating a need for more direct help.
  • One participant calculates the input power required based on the efficiency of the turbine-generator system, demonstrating an understanding of the relationship between output and input power.
  • A question is raised about how to apply the assumption of cold air standard conditions in the design analysis and the implications of varying temperatures on specific heats for the final design.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on how to proceed with the project tasks, as there are requests for further clarification and assistance. Multiple viewpoints on the best approach to the problem are present, indicating ongoing exploration and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the project, particularly regarding assumptions about temperature effects on specific heats and the implications for heat recovery design. There is also mention of constraints related to the dew point temperature of steam in exhaust gases.

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Students and professionals involved in thermodynamics, energy systems, and engineering design may find this discussion relevant, especially those working on similar projects or seeking collaborative input on complex design challenges.

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Problem Statement​

A GT power station has a peak demand on electrical power of 190 MW. The Turbine-Generator conversion efficiency is 95 percent. A heat recovery Heat Exchanger is to be installed to recover some of the heat from the exhaust gases, before they are purged to the atmosphere. The fuel used is Natural Gas with a heating value of about 47 MJ/kg. Be aware that 40% excess air is to be introduced to the combustion chamber. Moreover, the stoichiometric Air/Fuel ratio (on mass basis) for this fuel is about 17.

TASKS:
1. Decide the components that you want to include in your system; (just simple cycle or with regeneration; justify your selection based on quantitative results).
2. Decide the maximum operating temperature; your judgment should be justified.
3. Investigate the performance (thermal efficiency of the system under different compression ratios and the fuel flow rate) under different compression ratio conditions.
4. Make necessary sizing analysis for the regenerator (in case you decided to include a regenerator). Choose a counter flow heat exchanger type for the regenerator.
5. Make necessary sizing analysis for the Heat recovery heat exchanger; choose it to be of the compact-cross flow type heat exchanger with fins on the tubes from the outer side (the hot side of the hot exhaust gases). This Heat Recovery Heat Exchanger is to be installed at the base of the exhaust chimney.

6. Determine the destructed Exergy of the system at different compression ratio conditions.

7. Your final selection of the optimum operating conditions should not only be based on efficiency, but exergy analysis, as well.

8. The final sizing of the designed Heat Exchangers should be based on the operating conditions of the optimum operation selected in item 7 above.

NOTES:
• for simplicity, you can start your design analysis using the cold air standard assumption for the gas side, but when you make the final design the effect of varying temperatures on the specific heats should be taken into consideration.
• The limit on the maximum amount of heat recovery (i.e. the minimum exhaust gas temperature after the Heat Recovery Heat Exchanger) should take the dew point temperature of the steam in the exhaust gases into consideration.
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can anyone help me on this project please ?
 
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Hi there:

Check out the following URL where you can find some useful material and calculators on the subject matter:

http://engware.i-dentity.com

Thanks,

Gordan
 
Thanks for the URL and for your attempt to help me out. I visited the link but can find slideshows and calculations i hope if someone can help me solve this problem or send me a URL of a forum where i can benifit from thanks a lot all.
 
Ok saying that the

efficiency = W(net) / Q

Q = W(net) / Efficiency

Q = 190/0.95 = 200 MW


or saying that

efficiency = output/input

input = output / efficency

Input = 190 / 0.95 =200 MW

Ok how do i proceed then ?


How do i benifit from ("for simplicity, you can start your design analysis using the cold air standard assumption for the gas side, but when you make the final design the effect of varying temperatures on the specific heats should be taken into consideration.")
 

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