Mean Value of Ordinates of Semicircle

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The discussion revolves around finding the mean value of the ordinates of a semicircle defined by the function f(x)=√(a²-x²) over the interval [-a, a]. Participants are exploring how to approach this problem without using calculus.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the mean value using integrals, questioning the meaning of "ordinates." Some participants clarify that ordinates refer to the y-coordinates. Others suggest using trigonometric substitutions and discuss the area under the curve as a potential approach without calculus.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing different methods and questioning assumptions. Some have provided insights into using calculus, while others are still seeking a non-calculus approach. There is a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the problem's requirements.

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There is a specific emphasis on solving the problem without calculus, which is noted as a requirement for the homework. Participants are also discussing the implications of using different mathematical concepts such as area and averages.

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The graph of the function f(x)=\sqrt{a^2-x^2} (-a<= x <=a) is a semicircle, centre the origin and bounding diameter the portion of the x-axis between the points A(-a,0) and B(a,0). Show that the mean value with respect to x of the ordinates of the semicircle is \pia/4. ( This question can be done without using calculus.)
Does ordinates mean the x-coordinates only of the points?
My attempt, mean value =\frac{1}{b-a}\int_a^{b}f(x)dx = \frac{1}{2a}\int_{-a}^{a}(\sqrt{a^2-x^2})dx = \frac{1}{4a}\int_{-a}^{a}\ln({a^2-x^2})dx.
I'm interested to know how it can be done without using calculus? Thanks for the help.
 
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In fact, it's the average value of y. So your first two integrals are just fine. Can't say the same about the third. Where did the wacky ln come from? Hmm. How to do this without calculus?? Don't know.
 
The "average value" of a function, over some interval, is the integral of the function over that interval divided by the length. As Dick said, the "ordinal" is the y component, not the x.

As for doing it without calculus, isn't the integral of a function the area under the curve? What is the area here?
 
To solve the problem try x=asin\theta, then \sqrt{a^2-x^2} =\sqrt{a^2-a^2sin^2\theta} = \sqrt{a^2(1-sin^2\theta)} = acos\theta. Therefore \\ \frac{1}{2a}\int_{x=-a}^{x=a}\sqrt{a^2-x^2}dx =<br /> \frac{1}{2a} \int_{x=-a}^{x=a}\sqrt{a^2-x^2}acos\theta d\theta \\
= \frac{1}{2a} \int_{\theta=-\frac{\pi}{2}}^{\theta=\frac{\pi}{2}} \sqrt{a^2(1-sin^2\theta)}acos\theta d\theta \\ =<br /> \frac{a}{2} \int{-\frac{\pi}{2}}^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \frac{1}{2}(1+cos\theta) d\theta \\ = a\frac{\pi}{4}. So I learned how to solve the problem using calculus.
 
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Great! Now how would you do it without calculus? This is in "pre-calculus mathematics"
 
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The area in question is 1/2 the area of a circle = \frac{1}{2}\pi \times r^2 multiplied by \frac{1}{2r} \mbox{ to get the mean value, which =} a\pi/4 \mbox{ where a=r.}
 

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