# Homework Help: Mean velocity for turbulent velocity distribution in pipe.

1. Oct 15, 2013

### SherlockOhms

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
Calculate the mean velocity (um) for turbulent velocity distribution in a pipe.

2. Relevant equations
um = Q/A
u = umax(y/R)1/7 (Gives velocity at a specified point in cross section of the pipe.
R = pipe diameter. y = distance from boundary layer. umax = distance at centre.

3. The attempt at a solution
I'll post a diagram of what I've done so far. As you can see, I've split the cross section of the pipe into rings of flow of thickness dr and radius r. So, dA = 2(pi)(r)(dr). dQ = u(dA)
Integrate in the limit 0 to R. Q = ∫ umax(y/R)1/7(2(pi)(r)(dr)).
How do I integrate the above? That's what's really confusing me. Is u constant and so can it factor out of the integral? The y term is really throwing me off. Thanks.

2. Oct 15, 2013

### SherlockOhms

3. Oct 15, 2013

### arildno

Now, u_max(x) is certainly a constant on a CROSS-section.

Assume the boundary layer has thickness d(x), within it, the velocity is so small compared to the flow in the middle, that it can be regarded as 0. (Alternatively, it should fuse together with the established boundary layer velocity profile!)

Thus, we have that 0<=r<=R-d(x), rather than 0<=r<=R

Furthermore, y equals 0 at the edge of the boundary layer, and R-d(x) along the center line.

Thus, we have: y=R-d(x)-r

4. Oct 15, 2013

### SherlockOhms

I thin he mentioned that we can ignore the thickness of the boundary layer for this calculation. I'll have to double check that though. Thanks a million for that! So, I've now got Q = umax∫((R-r)/R)1/7(2(pi)(r)dr fro 0 to R. How do I actually integrate this? Haven't done proper calculus in awhile. Should I be using a substitution? Like, u = (R-r)/R.

5. Oct 15, 2013

### arildno

Yes, that will be a good substitution.
(And, as I wrote it, it really does have best meaning if d(x) is NEGLIGIBLE relative to R)
Since d(x) only appears together with R, we may discard it, both in the integrand and in the integration limit.

6. Oct 15, 2013

### SherlockOhms

So, I've done the integration but I'm fairly sure it's incorrect. I'll post my step by step solution below. The lecturer gave us the final solution, i.e the value of Q/(pi)(R2). I'll show that value too in the attachment. Can you see where I may have gone wrong? Thanks again.

7. Oct 15, 2013

### SherlockOhms

8. Oct 15, 2013

### SherlockOhms

This is the value of the mean velocity, i.e. Q/A. As you can see my equation for Q, divided by A does not equal this.

9. Oct 15, 2013

### SherlockOhms

I'm now thinking that I've actually solved that integral correctly to get Q = ((49)(pi)(umax)(R^2))/60. However if I divide this by the Area, I get u(mean) = (49)(pi)(umax)/60. Which is completely independent of R. This hardly makes sense, does it? Is the a chance that this is correct and the lecturers solution is incorrect? I've also checked the integral in Mathematica and it works out.

10. Oct 15, 2013

### SherlockOhms

49(umax)/60. Apologies, the pis cancel.

11. Oct 15, 2013

### arildno

If Mathematica gets the same result as you, (and that I got as well), I'm sure it's correct.
That doesn't mean, however, that you have given all relevant information or typed the problem in here correctly.

I strongly suggest you go back to your lecture notes and see if there is something you have overlooked.

12. Oct 15, 2013

### SherlockOhms

Yup. Thanks for that. Just went back and looked at the exact notes he gave us today. The picture I've attached below is word for word and diagram for diagram what he gave us. Everything there was given and the rest (pretty much just the integral) was left up to us. Have I missed something?

13. Oct 15, 2013

### arildno

Hmm..it doesn't seem so.

14. Oct 15, 2013

### SherlockOhms

Strange. I guess I'll just have to ask the lecturer himself at some stage. Thanks for all the help.

15. Oct 15, 2013

### Staff: Mentor

Why do you find it so unusual that the mean velocity is 49/60 of the maximum velocity, or that the maximum velocity is 60/49 of the mean velocity? In laminar flow, the maximum velocity is 2 times the mean velocity, but in turbulent flow, the velocity profile is nearly flat, so that the ratio is only about 1.2.

16. Oct 16, 2013

### SherlockOhms

Well, I'm new to Fluid kinematic and didn't know that at all. I just though that, intuitively, the mean velocity would depend on the radius of the pipe in some way. But here (assuming I haven't made any mistakes) it's completely independent of the pipe radius. There was no real physics behind that assumption. It was just something that I thought made sense to me at the time.

17. Oct 16, 2013

### arildno

SherlockOhms:
In nice turbulent pipe flow, you essentially have a "plug flow" for the mean velocity, that the mean velocity hardly varies over the cross section.
This is in contrast to laminar Hagen-Pousseille flow, with a parabolic flow pattern over the cross section.

18. Oct 16, 2013

### SherlockOhms

Brilliant. Thanks for all the help!