Meaning of line element vector on work formula

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The discussion centers on the correct interpretation of the line element vector \( d\vec{s} \) in the work formula \( W = \int_a^b \vec{F} \cdot d\vec{s} \). A common error arises when \( d\vec{s} \) is incorrectly considered to have the same direction as the force, leading to negative work results. The correct interpretation involves recognizing that \( d\vec{s} \) should represent the infinitesimal displacement along the path, which can be expressed as \( d\vec{s} = r'(t) \hat{r} \, dt \). This adjustment resolves the sign error, confirming that the work done by a gravitational field is indeed positive when calculated correctly.

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I've been struggling with this for the past hours and I can't find a good answer.
Using the integral for work [itex]W = \int_a^b \vec{F}\cdot d\vec{s}[/itex], when [itex]a > b[/itex], and the force is directed from a to b, i keep getting a negative result. I am considering [itex]d\vec{s}[/itex] as the infinitesimal difference of the position vector along the integral route, so it has the same direction of the force. Is this wrong? Where am I messing up, and what [itex]d\vec{s}[/itex] should truly mean here?

E.g The work performed by a gravitational field upon a particle while bringing it from infinity

[tex]W = \int_\infty^R \vec{F}\cdot d\vec{s} = \int_\infty^R (\frac{-GMm}{r^2})\hat{r}\cdot (-dr)\hat{r} = \int_\infty^R \frac{GMm}{r^2}dr = \left.\frac{-GMm}{r}\right|_\infty^R = \frac{-GMm}{R}[/tex]
Which is false, since the work is obviously positive.
 
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pfr said:
I've been struggling with this for the past hours and I can't find a good answer.
Using the integral for work [itex]W = \int_a^b \vec{F}\cdot d\vec{s}[/itex], when [itex]a > b[/itex], and the force is directed from a to b, i keep getting a negative result. I am considering [itex]d\vec{s}[/itex] as the infinitesimal difference of the position vector along the integral route, so it has the same direction of the force. Is this wrong?

Yes. [itex]d\vec{s}[/itex] is shorthand for [itex]\dfrac{d \vec s}{dt}\,dt[/itex] where [itex]t[/itex] parametrizes the path. It can be time, but need not be. Arclength is another possible choice. Expanding the definition of the line integral, one has
[tex] W = \int_C \vec{F} \cdot d\vec{s} = <br /> \int_{t_0}^{t_1} \vec{F}(\vec{s}(t)) \cdot \frac{d\vec{s}(t)}{dt}\,dt[/tex]

E.g The work performed by a gravitational field upon a particle while bringing it from infinity

[tex]W = \int_\infty^R \vec{F}\cdot d\vec{s} = \int_\infty^R (\frac{-GMm}{r^2})\hat{r}\cdot (-dr)\hat{r} = \int_\infty^R \frac{GMm}{r^2}dr = \left.\frac{-GMm}{r}\right|_\infty^R = \frac{-GMm}{R}[/tex]
Which is false, since the work is obviously positive.

You have made a sign error. Here we have purely radial displacement, so [itex]d\vec{s} = r'(t) \hat r\,dt = \hat r \,dr[/itex] (because by definition [itex]r'(t)\,dt = dr[/itex]), not [itex]-\hat r\,dr[/itex] as you have. You will then find that
[tex] \int \vec{F} \cdot d\vec{s} = \int_{\infty}^{R} \frac{-GMm}{r^2}\,dr = \frac{GMm}{R} > 0[/tex]
as required.

EDIT: Try to avoid using coordinates as parameters for curves. It leads to exactly this sort of confusion.
 

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