Meaning of simple set-up (LOGIC board)

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The discussion revolves around the significance of a diagram related to LOGIC gates presented during a lab session. Participants explore the implications of the diagram, particularly in relation to ESD (Electrostatic Discharge) protection diodes and their functionality in a circuit.

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  • One participant questions the purpose of the diagram, suggesting it may represent a one-way path from input to output.
  • Another participant proposes that the diagram might be incorrect, indicating that if a diode is connected to Vcc, it could signify ESD protection diodes for the I/O line.
  • A question is raised about the source of ESD, whether it originates from external or internal sources, and the conditions under which a diode would conduct.
  • Further clarification is provided that ESD typically comes from external sources, and that the diodes are normally cut off, conducting only during ESD transients.
  • Participants discuss methods to manage ESD transients, including the use of bypass capacitors or fast Zener diodes for clamping.

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Participants express differing views on the accuracy and interpretation of the diagram, with no consensus reached regarding its significance or correctness.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the specific configuration of the circuit and the role of the diodes, as well as the implications of the diagram presented.

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Hello all,
I had a lab pertaining to LOGIC gates, and the instructor drew something on the board (without elaborating) and asked us if we knew the significance of what he had drawn on the board. No one knew, and as such we moved on. However, I am now wondering. Attached is what he had drawn. To me it looks rather pointless. Is it supposed to signify a one way path (input----->output), or am I missing something?
 

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sandy.bridge said:
Hello all,
I had a lab pertaining to LOGIC gates, and the instructor drew something on the board (without elaborating) and asked us if we knew the significance of what he had drawn on the board. No one knew, and as such we moved on. However, I am now wondering. Attached is what he had drawn. To me it looks rather pointless. Is it supposed to signify a one way path (input----->output), or am I missing something?

It looks like the figure is wrong. If the right-hand diode went to Vcc, then it would represent ESD protection diodes for the IO line.
 
Does ESD come from outside of the circuit, or is it from within (or both)? If the cathode of D2 is exposed to a potential of Vcc, then essentially D2 is cut off unless the potential at the I/O exceeds ~(Vcc+0.7V)? The way I am seeing it is if a voltage is applied to D2, then I/O is not grounded.
 
ESD generally comes form external sources (like people touching your device). The diodes are both cut off normally, and only conduct when there is a negative (bottom diode conducts) or positive (upper diode conducts) ESD transient that hits the IO line. You either use a bypass cap on Vcc to help get the ESD transient current back to ground through the upper diode, or some folks prefer to use a fast Zener diode to clamp the upper diode to ground, as in the below figure.

http://www.ce-mag.com/archive/03/ARG/Images/03ARGCE82c.jpg
 
Interesting. Thanks!
 

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