Meaning of Zeros of Partition function

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The discussion centers on the zeros of the partition function in statistical mechanics, particularly in relation to their physical significance and methods for calculating them. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical representations, and specific examples involving interacting fermions.

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  • Some participants inquire about the meaning of the zeros of the partition function and how to calculate them.
  • One participant suggests that at the zeros, the free energy may exhibit a logarithmic divergence, questioning the physical implications of this phenomenon.
  • Another participant references the Lee-Yang circle theorem, proposing that all zeros of the partition function lie on a specific circle in the complex plane.
  • A participant provides a detailed example involving a Hamiltonian for interacting fermions, expressing curiosity about the physical interpretation of the zeros and their relation to non-interacting quasiparticle states.
  • Some participants discuss the possibility of expressing interacting systems as non-interacting ones, noting that while it is a common approach in condensed matter physics, it may not always be applicable.
  • One participant challenges the notion that partition functions can always be factored into products of zeros, particularly in the context of specific Hamiltonians involving mutual interactions.
  • Another participant raises the complexity of interactions and phase transitions, emphasizing the challenges in understanding the nature of quasiparticles in such systems.

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Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the interpretation of zeros of the partition function and the feasibility of expressing interacting systems as non-interacting ones. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the implications and calculations involved.

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Participants note limitations in their understanding of the physical meaning of quasiparticle states and the conditions under which the factorization of partition functions holds. There is also mention of unresolved mathematical steps in the context of specific Hamiltonians.

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given a partition function of the form

[tex]Z<u>= \prod Z_{i} </u>[/tex]

[tex]Z_{i} <u> = \sum_{n=-\infty}^{\infty}e^{iuE_{n}^{i}} </u>[/tex]

what is the meaning of zeros ? i mean the values that make Z=0 and how could we calculate these zeros ??
 
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At the zero of the partition function, the free energy (or whatever the associated 0'th lagrangian multiplier is) would have a logarithmic divergence. Not too sure what physical effect this has. Do you have a system in mind?

As far as calculating the zeros, it would be just the same as solving any equation...
 
thanks genneth .. i was thinking about ' Lee-*Yang circle theorem' that was related to this topic and said that all the zeros (complex ??) of Partition function lie on a certain circle of the complex plane.
 
Looking up the theorem and associated literature, the key paper appears to be http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PR/v87/i3/p404_1 where Lee and Yang showed what physical properties are connected with the zeros of the grand partition function. It's pretty much what you would have guessed --- phase transitions. The surprise I would have said was that the information is pretty much *entirely* in the location of the zeros. The 2nd paper in that series gives a proof of the so-called circle theorem.
 
I have wondered about this as well, for the zeros seem to have a very special meaning. I just can't figure out how to make physical sense of it yet.
Here is a specific example:

Consider a potential with two sites for interacting fermions.
[tex]H = \epsilon c_1^\dagger c_1 + \epsilon c_2^\dagger c_2 + t (c_2^\dagger c_1 + c_1^\dagger c_2)[/tex]
Where t is a tunnelling term coupling the two sites.

zero fermion eigen solution:
[tex]|0\rangle[/tex], energy is [tex]H |0\rangle = 0 |0\rangle[/tex]

one fermion eigen solutions:
let [tex]|1+\rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(c_1^\dagger + c_2^\dagger)|0\rangle[/tex], energy is [tex]H|1+\rangle = (\epsilon+t) |1+\rangle[/tex]
let [tex]|1-\rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(c_1^\dagger - c_2^\dagger)|0\rangle[/tex], energy is [tex]H|1-\rangle = (\epsilon-t) |1-\rangle[/tex]

two fermion eigen solution:
let [tex]|2\rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(c_1^\dagger c_2^\dagger - c_2^\dagger c_1^\dagger)|0\rangle[/tex], energy is [tex]H|2\rangle = (2 \epsilon) |2\rangle[/tex]

The grand partition function is therefore:
[tex]\mathcal{Z} = 1 + e^{-\beta ((\epsilon+t)-\mu)} + e^{-\beta ((\epsilon-t)-\mu)} + e^{-\beta (2\epsilon-2\mu)}[/tex]

let [tex]\lambda = e^{-\beta (\epsilon-\mu)}[/tex], then we can clearly see the polynomial:
[tex]\mathcal{Z} = 1 + e^{-\beta t}\lambda + e^{-\beta (-t)} \lambda + \lambda^2}[/tex]
[tex]\mathcal{Z} = 1 + (e^{-\beta t}+ e^{\beta t})\lambda + \lambda^2[/tex]


And of course we can factor this polynomial to rewrite the partition function as:
[tex]\mathcal{Z} = \prod_i Q_i[/tex]
Where [tex]Q_i = (\lambda - \lambda_i)[/tex] and [tex]\lambda_i[/tex] are the zero's of the polynomial. Notice that for this example, [itex]\lambda_i[/itex] are real, less than zero, and [tex]\prod_i \lambda_i = 1[/tex].

So I can rewrite this as:
[tex]\mathcal{Z} = \prod_i Z_i[/tex]
Where [tex]Z_i = (1 + e^{-\beta (\epsilon_i-\mu)})[/tex]. And now the partition functions are of non-interacting quasiparticle states!

This should probably work for any interacting system of particles. You can always rewrite the polynomial as a product of the zeros. So you can always rewrite the paritition function as a system of non-interacting quasi-particles. But what are these states physically? And how do they relate to the original creation operators [tex]c_1^\dagger[/tex] and [tex]c_2^\dagger[/tex] ?

Any insight people can provide on this would be appreciated.
 
Oops... I took too long to post.
The answers are probably in that paper, I'll check it out.
Thanks genneth!
 
That paper was very interesting, but it didn't answer the follow up questions I wrote.

Can anyone help?
 
JustinLevy said:
That paper was very interesting, but it didn't answer the follow up questions I wrote.

Can anyone help?

I don't think your problem here is actually to do with the stated thread. Expressing interacting systems as non-interacting ones is the basis of the entire field of condensed matter. However, it is not true that it's *always* possible. For example, multiple spinless, massive particles with mutual Coulomb repulsion. For the specific case that you have stated, it is possible, and does indeed give a nice answer; but you could have seen that without doing the statistical mechanics --- just changes basis for the hamiltonian itself (notice that it is a quadratic form, so diagonalise it).
 
genneth said:
Expressing interacting systems as non-interacting ones is the basis of the entire field of condensed matter. However, it is not true that it's *always* possible.
I'm quite willing to accept that it may not be always true. But I can't think of a convincing argument either way.

In particular, the partition function can't have zeros at the origin, and thus it seems you could always factor it the way I suggested. So what are these seemingly non-interacting quasi-particle states? Even if it doesn't work for some reason I am missing, it is still not clear to me what it means when it does work (and it isn't just linear combinations of single particle states).

genneth said:
For example, multiple spinless, massive particles with mutual Coulomb repulsion.
Can you give me a specific Hamiltonian to play with? I think I need to convince myself of this. Thank you for pointing this out.

Would it be something like this? (written in the position basis)
[tex]H = \int \epsilon \ a^\dagger(r_1) a(r_1) \ d^3 r_1 + \frac{1}{2} \int \frac{A}{|r_1 - r_2|} (a^\dagger(r_1) a^\dagger(r_2) a(r_1) a(r_2) + a^\dagger(r_2) a^\dagger(r_1) a(r_2) a(r_1)) \ d^3 r_1 \ d^3 r_2[/tex]

Does the problem still arise when considering just a finite number of locations (like on a couple lattice positions)? That would make it a bit easier for me to conceptualize and play with.

genneth said:
For the specific case that you have stated, it is possible, and does indeed give a nice answer; but you could have seen that without doing the statistical mechanics --- just changes basis for the hamiltonian itself (notice that it is a quadratic form, so diagonalise it).
Yes, I guess I made the example too simple.
Add a repulsion term, and now we have:
[tex]H = \epsilon c_1^\dagger c_1 + \epsilon c_2^\dagger c_2 + t (c_2^\dagger c_1 + c_1^\dagger c_2) + A (c_1^\dagger c_2^\dagger c_1 c_2 + c_2^\dagger c_1^\dagger c_2 c_1)[/tex]

Maybe again this is simple, but I don't see how to put this in the form:
[tex]H = \sum_i \epsilon_i b_i^\dagger b_i[/tex]
with just a simple basis change. Yet the factorization above still holds. What are these non-interacting states: what do they mean physically? and how are they related to the original creation operators?
 
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Basically, consider a bunch of electrons moving in some overall potential and their mutual repulsion. The problem is not exactly easy --- various phase transitions, etc. If you through in more complicated mutual interactions things quickly get out of hand.

This general method of turning interacting systems into non-interacting ones is very powerful, and where we get quasi-particles from. In fact, it's almost a mantra of condensed matter that particle are just things which don't interact very much. Now there's not really any particular requirement that these minimal excitations are free in the sense that they have a quadratic action in momentum, but just that you can account for their quantum properties completely.
 

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