Why Cannot I Factorize the Partition Function?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the inability to factorize the partition function in quantum statistical mechanics, specifically in the context of Fermi-Dirac and Bose-Einstein statistics compared to classical Maxwell-Boltzmann statistics. Participants explore the implications of indistinguishable particles on the partition function formulation.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that in quantum statistics, the partition function for indistinguishable particles cannot be expressed as the product of individual partition functions, unlike in classical statistics.
  • Another participant explains that the requirement for the wavefunction to be symmetric for bosons and antisymmetric for fermions prevents the use of a factorized partition function.
  • A later reply suggests that while the canonical partition function cannot be factorized, the grand canonical partition function may be factorable.
  • Participants inquire about resources or literature that address these concepts in detail.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the fundamental differences between classical and quantum statistics regarding partition functions, but there are competing views on the factorization of the grand canonical partition function.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of detailed exploration into the conditions under which the grand canonical partition function may be factorable and the assumptions about indistinguishability in quantum systems.

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Hi everibody, the other day in a stadistical physics lesson we were studyng Fermi Dirac and Bose Einstein stadistics and comparing it to the classical Maxwell Boltzmann's.

We learned that in the quantum stadistics for indistinguishable particles the partition function of the whole system couldn't be written as the multiplication of the partition function of all the single particles of the system as we used to do when we were working in the classical limit.

So, can please anybody tell me if there is a physical reason why I can't write the partition formulal for Bose Einstein's and Fermi Dirac's stadistic as ∏(zn)?

Thanks for reading.
 
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The wavefunction has to be symmetric under exchange of two identical bosons, and antisymmetric under exchange of two identical fermions - otherwise you cannot reproduce the observed statistics. With a factorized partition function this does not work.
 
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Thank you very much for your anwser.
By the way, can you point me to a book where whis is treated?
 
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This should be covered in every book about quantum mechanics.
 
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However, while it is not possible to factorize the canonical partition function, it is possible to factorize the grand canonical partition function.
 
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