Measurement of speed using redshift or blueshift

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The discussion revolves around the measurement of speed using redshift and blueshift, specifically in the context of light from a star and its comparison to laboratory observations. Participants are examining the implications of wavelength changes in relation to the motion of celestial objects.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to reconcile the observed blue-shift of a star's light with their understanding of redshift and blueshift, questioning the implications of wavelength changes. There is a focus on analogies involving sound waves and their frequency shifts as a means to clarify the concepts.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the observed data. Some are providing analogies to sound waves to illustrate their points, while others are questioning the assumptions made regarding the direction of motion based on the observed wavelengths.

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There appears to be confusion regarding the definitions of redshift and blueshift, as well as the implications of wavelength changes in the context of the star's motion relative to Earth. Participants are also reflecting on their understanding of the problem and verifying their interpretations.

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One wavelength in the hydrogen spectrum of light from Ursa Majoris is 486.112 nm. In the laboratory, this spectral line is found to have a wavelength of 486.133nm. Determine the velocity of Ursa Majoris relative to Earth. (speed of light = 3.0 x 10^8 m/s)
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doppler effect equation
The solution on my textbook is 13000m/s toward Earth as the light is blue-shifted

I'm able to calculate the magnitude of velocity (13000m/s), but i don't understand why thus is blue-shifted? Since in the lab, the light's wavelength observed is slightly higher than light from Ursa Majoris. So my thought is red-shift and move away from earth. Any any explanation?
 
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Your statement says that one of the star's H lines is at a shorter wavelength (ie: higher frequency) than the same line achieved in the lab (which we can take to be the reference result).

When you're standing next to the tracks and the train zooms by, does the wavelength of the sound of its horn from the cab decrease ? or increase.
 
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When the train coming towards me, the wavelength of sound is shorter (higher frequency) but when the train moves away from me it's wavelength is longer (low frequency)

The star's H lines is at a shorter wavelength than observed in the laboratory (low frequency is observed), that means the star must be moving away from the Earth and is red shifted

I double checked I didn't read the question wrong
 
mugen715 said:
When the train coming towards me, the wavelength of sound is shorter (higher frequency) but when the train moves away from me it's wavelength is longer (low frequency)

The star's H lines is at a shorter wavelength than observed in the laboratory (low frequency is observed), that means the star must be moving away from the Earth and is red shifted

I double checked I didn't read the question wrong
Red is longer wavelength than blue.
 
wavelength is the inverse of frequency.
 
mugen715 said:
When the train coming towards me, the wavelength of sound is shorter (higher frequency) but when the train moves away from me it's wavelength is longer (low frequency)

The star's H lines is at a shorter wavelength than observed in the laboratory (low frequency is observed), that means the star must be moving away from the Earth and is red shifted

I double checked I didn't read the question wrong
You are contradicting yourself. Yes, sound that you hear that is higher than normal = coming toward you. Light that is shorter wavelength (bluer) also means coming toward you.
 

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