Measuring Science and Engineering Programs at Universities

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating the quality and value of science and engineering degree programs at universities. Participants explore various methods to assess educational benefits, including faculty quality, alumni success, and departmental resources, while expressing concerns about mediocre programs.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the worth of a degree program can be gauged by the quality of its lecturers and researchers, recommending an investigation into faculty credentials and alumni success.
  • Another participant emphasizes that having distinguished researchers does not necessarily correlate with high-quality undergraduate education, proposing that prospective students should gather insights from current undergraduates about their experiences and outcomes.
  • A different viewpoint highlights the importance of the presence of strong engineering programs as an indicator of a school's overall academic strength, particularly in relation to physics programs.
  • One participant mentions that while US News and World Report rankings are not the most reliable, being outside the top 100 may suggest a program is not worth considering.
  • Concerns are raised about the size of academic departments, with a suggestion that fewer than five full-time faculty may hinder the quality of the program.
  • Participants propose that seeking feedback from the forum community about specific majors and schools could provide valuable insights.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a general concern about the quality of degree programs, but there are differing opinions on the best methods to evaluate them. No consensus is reached on a definitive approach to determining program worth.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the subjective nature of quality assessment, the potential variability in individual experiences, and the reliance on external rankings, which may not reflect all aspects of a program's value.

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How can I tell whether or not a school's degree program is worth it or not? I know to stay away from the online degree mills and make sure that all schools are accredited by recogonized associations; however, I do not know how to judge a school's education benefit. Is there any way to find this information out without physically attending the school for a semester? I just want to make sure that whatever school I choose to attend doesn't have a lackluster degree program that will get me laughed at when I apply to graduate school after earning my bachelors degree. I want to get the most out of my university studies.

Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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The quality of a school is as good as its lecturers and its researchers.
So check the school's website and find out who their prima-donna's are.
Then you check how good these people are with an internet search.
Or ask them (by email) a list of their well-known alumni. Check the names on
the list with Google. If the school is not willing to give you the list, its a bad school anyway

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adlag said:
The quality of a school is as good as its lecturers and its researchers.
So check the school's website and find out who their prima-donna's are.
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That a school has prima donna researchers does not imply that undergraduate education is also high quality.

I would try to find out the following from some undergrads at places you're considering applying to:

What do the undergraduate students do when they finish their degree? (get a job? what grad schools do they go to?)
Do the undergrads seem happy? Do they study together? Who are their favourite and least favourite professors?
Where do the undergrads live?
Do the undergrads do research in the summer?
 
You are right to be concerned. There are a lot of mediocre programs out there. Most schools with good Physics programs have a number of good engineering programs as well, and unless you've got good information to the contrary, I tend to take the absence of good ME and EE programs as an indication that a school probably lacks the math to support a good Physics major.

The US News and World report rankings are not the best indicators, but they are probably the most widely known and easily available. If a school is not in the top 100, then they are probably not worthy of serious consideration.

I'd also look at the size of the department supporting your desired major. When there are less than 5 full-time faculty in a department, it is hard for them to have either a critical mass or a suitably varied range of interests to support a good program in the discipline.

Also, you can probably post here with a major and a list of 5-10 schools and get some feedback, or ask for some suggestions regarding the best schools in your geographic area in a given field.

Michael Courtney
 

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