Mechanical Energy Lost In A One-dimensional Collision

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The problem involves a one-dimensional collision between a car and a truck, focusing on the conservation of momentum and the calculation of mechanical energy lost during the collision. The subject area is mechanics, specifically dealing with collisions and energy transformations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of momentum to find the final velocity of the truck after the collision. There is also a focus on calculating the loss of mechanical energy and the distinction between kinetic energy and thermal energy. Some participants question the accuracy of calculations and the interpretation of energy loss.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing calculations and questioning the results. There are differing values for the energy loss, and some participants suggest checking calculations for rounding errors. The conversation includes considerations of where the lost energy may have gone, such as into heat, deformation, and friction.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies between their calculations and the answer provided in the textbook, indicating potential issues with rounding or assumptions made during calculations. There is an emphasis on understanding the nature of mechanical energy versus thermal energy in the context of the collision.

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Homework Statement




A 1200-kg car traveling initially with a speed of 25 m/s in an easterly direction crashes into the rear end of a 9000-kg truck moving in the same direction at 20 m/s. The velocity of the car right after the collision is 18 m/s to the east. (a) What is the velocity of the truck right after the collision? (b) How much mechanical energy is lost in the collision? How do you account for this loss in energy?


Homework Equations




[tex]m_1v_{1i} + m_2v_{2i} = m_1v_{1f} + m_2v_{2f}[/tex]
[tex]K = \frac{1}{2}mv^2[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution




I was able to solve part (a) as follows ...

[tex]m_1v_{1i} + m_2v_{2i} = m_1v_{1f} + m_2v_{2f}[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow v_{2f} = \frac{m_1v_{1i} + m_2v_{2i} - m_1v_{1f}}{m_2}[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow v_{2f} = \frac{(1200 kg)(25 m/s) + (9000 kg)(20 m/s) - (1200 kg)(18 m/s)}{9000 kg} = 20.9 m/s east[/tex]


For part (b), however, I didn't get very far ...

I know the energy loss is due to heat (thermal energy), but I could only calculate the loss in kinetic energy, not mechanical energy:

[tex]K_f - K_i = \frac{1}{2}m_1{v_{1f}}^2 + \frac{1}{2}m_2{v_{2f}}^2 - \frac{1}{2}m_1{v_{1i}}^2 - \frac{1}{2}m_2{v_{2i}}^2[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow K_f - K_i = \frac{1}{2}(1200 kg)(18 m/s)^2 + \frac{1}{2}(9000 kg)(20.9 m/s)^2 - \frac{1}{2}(1200 kg)(25 m/s)^2 - \frac{1}{2}(9000 kg)(20 m/s)^2 = -14,955 Joules = -15.0 kJ[/tex]

The problem is that the answer in the back of the book is 8.74 kJ.
 
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NoPhysicsGenius said:
I know the energy loss is due to heat (thermal energy), but I could only calculate the loss in kinetic energy, not mechanical energy:

[tex]K_f - K_i = \frac{1}{2}m_1{v_{1f}}^2 + \frac{1}{2}m_2{v_{2f}}^2 - \frac{1}{2}m_1{v_{1i}}^2 - \frac{1}{2}m_2{v_{2i}}^2[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow K_f - K_i = \frac{1}{2}(1200 kg)(18 m/s)^2 + \frac{1}{2}(9000 kg)(20.9 m/s)^2 - \frac{1}{2}(1200 kg)(25 m/s)^2 - \frac{1}{2}(9000 kg)(20 m/s)^2 = -14,955 Joules = -15.0 kJ[/tex]

The problem is that the answer in the back of the book is 8.74 kJ.

Check your calculation again: working with your numbers, I don't quite get the book's result, but it's close (-9310 J). (Be careful about how much you round-off by early in the calculation. I may not be getting the book's answer because I used 20.93 m/sec for the truck's later speed, rather than 20.9.)

As for where the energy went, the term "internal energy" is a catch-all for lots of processes. Some of the energy could well go into heating, but some could also go into "physical deformation" of the bodies of the car and truck (crash damage), into frictional dissipation with the road surface because the rolling of tires briefly became sliding, and (a rather tiny bit) into sound (acoustical) energy.
 
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I can't see anything wrong with your calculation. Mechanical energy is kinetic energy that isn't thermal energy.
 
i get -8680 no rounding
 

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