Mechanical engineering - Cam Laws - Ct Accel.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the laws of displacement, velocity, and acceleration for a cam with constant acceleration, specifically focusing on the "fall" laws in contrast to the "rise" laws. Participants explore how to derive or mirror these laws for the falling motion based on existing expressions for the rising motion.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Technical explanation, Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 presents a request for the fall laws for displacement, velocity, and acceleration, noting difficulty in finding these laws and expressing uncertainty about how to reverse the existing equations for rising motion.
  • Post 2 suggests identifying the roles of each variable in the original expression and finding comparable expressions for the falling motion, recommending plotting the motion to verify correctness.
  • Post 4 offers several potential equations for reversed displacement, indicating different approaches to derive the fall laws.
  • Post 5 mentions successfully mirroring the chart on paper to derive the fall laws, although with some imprecision.
  • Post 6 emphasizes the importance of accurately manipulating functions rather than relying solely on graphical methods for precision.
  • Post 7 acknowledges time constraints affecting the ability to achieve greater accuracy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of confidence in their approaches, with some suggesting methods for deriving the fall laws while others emphasize the need for precision in function manipulation. There is no consensus on a definitive method or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their approaches, including reliance on graphical methods and time constraints, which may affect the accuracy of their derived equations.

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1. Homework Statement

If you could please tell me the "fall" laws for displacement, velocity and acceleration for a cam with constant acceleration.


3. The Attempt at a Solution

Could only manage to find the laws for the rising part, in a 1996 book.

Didnt find the laws on google either. Just mentions of the existence of the constant acceleration motion law.

The fall is opposite to the rise, but I don't know how to "mirror" the laws.

For ex: Displacement: Xe= (Xemax/((1-ki)*(Xi)1^2))*(-ki*(Xi)1^2+2*(Xi)1*Xi-Xi^2)


Xe=movement[rad], Xemax=max value for Xe [rad], Xi=current angle of rotation [rad], Xi1=total angle of rotation for rise/dwell or fall. (in this case Rise), k1=point where the "bend" of the curve-in the chart- changes- in my case it is Xemax/2;

So, to reverse that, I don't know what I must do...

Thank you! And I am sorry if my English isn't very good.. I am from Eastern Europe.
 
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This can definitely be tricky. What you need to do is to ask yourself what is the role of each of the variables in this expression, and then find comparable expressions in the new situation.

One of those variables was the distance from the beginning of the event to the current point. How will that value be described for the return (falling) curve? Another of those variables is the event length, the total angle turned during the motion. How is that to be expressed for the return (falling) motion?

Once you have identified these new expressions, then try to put together the equivalent functional forms that will describe the motion. If possible, use a computer to evaluate your expression and plot the motion, both rising and falling, and see if things look right. If things look correct for several arbitrary choices of the parameters, then there is a pretty good chance that you have worked it out correctly.
 
Thank you, Ill try to do that...
 
sicro: I might not understand, but I can think of different ways to reverse the equation you posted. See if any of these are what you want for reversed displacement.

(1) Xe = Xemax*[-ki*Xi1^2 + 2*Xi1*(Xemax - Xi) - (Xemax - Xi)^2]/[(1 - ki)*Xi1^2].
(2) Xe = {-Xemax*[-ki*Xi1^2 + 2*Xi1*(Xemax - Xi) - (Xemax - Xi)^2]/[(1 - ki)*Xi1^2]} + 2*Xemax.
(3) Xe = {-Xemax*(-ki*Xi1^2 + 2*Xi1*Xi - Xi^2)/[(1 - ki)*Xi1^2]} + 2*Xemax.
 
Ok, i did it by mirroring the chart on paper. Wasnt that precise, but it worked.

Thank you all for your time and I am sorry for the disturbance..
 
It is not disturbance, sicro, but you must realize that simply drawing the graph will not get the job done with sufficient accuracy to be useful. You really must learn to manipulate the functions if you are going to master this material.
 
Yes I know, but I didnt have anymore time left.. :(
 

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