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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of connected particles, specifically focusing on the calculation of tension and acceleration in a system involving friction and inclined planes. Participants explore equations of motion and seek clarification on discrepancies between their calculations and textbook answers.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants calculate friction as 20N using the formula involving the cosine of an angle and express uncertainty about the resulting tension and acceleration values.
  • One participant derives two equations: T - 20 = 8a and 120 - T = 12a, leading to an acceleration of 5 m/s², but questions the validity of the tension calculated against the textbook answer of 84N.
  • Another participant presents a different approach using the equations Mg - T = Ma and T - mg(sin(θ) + μ cos(θ)) = ma, arriving at an acceleration of 3 m/s² and a tension of 84N, which they assert is correct.
  • There is a repeated mention of the tension value being inconsistent with the textbook answer, prompting requests for assistance in resolving these discrepancies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing results for tension and acceleration, with some calculations leading to a tension of 60N while others confirm 84N. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which calculation is correct.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the values of mass, angle, and friction coefficients used in the calculations. The participants do not clarify the definitions of variables or the conditions under which their equations hold.

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Friction= 1/(sqroot12)×80 cos 30= 20N
I get two equations
T-20=8a and 120-T=12a
a=5m/s^2
I don't know how to calculate the time. Also with this value of acceleration tension value is wrong and the textbook ans is 84N
 
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Shah 72 said:
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Friction= 1/(sqroot12)×80 cos 30= 20N
I get two equations
T-20=8a and 120-T=12a
a=5m/s^2
I don't know how to calculate the time. Also with this value of acceleration tension value is wrong and the textbook ans is 84N
I calculated the time
S=ut +1/2at^2
(2+1.5)= 1/2×5×t^2
I got t=1s
For q(b) iam getting the ans tension in the rope= 60N but the textbook ans is 84N. Pls help
 
$Mg - T = Ma$
$T - mg(\sin{\theta} + \mu \cos{\theta}) = ma$
———————————————————————
$Mg - mg(\sin{\theta} + \mu \cos{\theta}) = a(M+m)$

$a = \dfrac{g[M-m(\sin{\theta}+ \mu \cos{\theta})]}{M+m} = \dfrac{10\left[12-8\left(\frac{3}{4}\right) \right]}{20}= 3 \, m/s^2$

$T = M(g-a) = 12(7) = 84$N
 
skeeter said:
$Mg - T = Ma$
$T - mg(\sin{\theta} + \mu \cos{\theta}) = ma$
———————————————————————
$Mg - mg(\sin{\theta} + \mu \cos{\theta}) = a(M+m)$

$a = \dfrac{g[M-m(\sin{\theta}+ \mu \cos{\theta})]}{M+m} = \dfrac{10\left[12-8\left(\frac{3}{4}\right) \right]}{20}= 3 \, m/s^2$

$T = M(g-a) = 12(7) = 84$N
Thank you very much!
 

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