Mechanics Elastic springs question

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The discussion revolves around a mechanics problem involving an elastic spring, a particle, and friction on a horizontal surface. The original poster presents a scenario where a particle is attached to a spring and compressed, seeking to demonstrate that the particle is momentarily at rest after moving a certain distance.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation of energy to show that the velocity of the particle is zero at a specific distance. They express concerns about their assumptions and calculations, particularly regarding the role of friction in energy conservation.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the assumptions made about energy conservation in the presence of friction. One participant points out that energy is not conserved due to friction, suggesting that the work done by friction must be considered. The discussion is ongoing, with no clear consensus yet.

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There is a noted complexity due to the presence of friction, which affects energy calculations. The original poster's approach may not fully account for the work done against friction, leading to confusion in their results.

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A particle of mass m is attached to one end of an elastic spring of natural length l and modulous lambda ..The particle and spring rest on a rough horizontal surface and the other end of the spring is fixed..Th coefficient of friction is mu .the particle is held at rest with the spring compressed to a length 2/3l and then released.Show that the particle is instamtenously at rest when it has a moved a distance x where,..lambda=Y,mu=P
[itex]x=\frac{2Yl-6Plmg}{3Y}[/itex]

Can some one check if my assumptions are right?..

First of all they want me to show the velocity is 0..
I use conservation of energy
[itex]\frac{Yl}{18}=\frac{Yx_1^2}{2l}+\frac{1}{2}mv^2[/itex]
where [itex]x_1=\frac{2Yl-6Plmg}{3Y}-\frac{l}{3}[/itex]
After that I get into big muddle as they don't equal to 0
thanks.
 
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rbnphlp said:
Can some one check if my assumptions are right?..

First of all they want me to show the velocity is 0..
I use conservation of energy
[itex]\frac{Yl}{18}=\frac{Yx_1^2}{2l}+\frac{1}{2}mv^2[/itex]
where [itex]x_1=\frac{2Yl-6Plmg}{3Y}-\frac{l}{3}[/itex]
After that I get into big muddle as they don't equal to 0
thanks.

Energy is not conserved here, because of the friction. However, the energy will decrease by an amount equal to the work done by friction.
 
Redbelly98 said:
Energy is not conserved here, because of the friction. However, the energy will decrease by an amount equal to the work done by friction.

I forgot about friction thanks..
 

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