Mechanics: Find Coefficient of Friction on 34° Slope w/ 0.4

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The discussion revolves around finding the coefficient of friction for a particle sliding up and down a slope inclined at 34 degrees, given a coefficient of friction of 0.4. Participants explore the dynamics involved, including acceleration and speed at different points, while expressing confusion over the problem's requirements and the provided information.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the problem, noting that the coefficient of friction is stated as 0.4 but they are asked to find it.
  • Others point out that the textbook provides a different answer of 0.259, leading to further confusion regarding the problem's validity.
  • A participant calculates the acceleration while going up the slope and down the slope, arriving at different values for acceleration and proposing a method to find the coefficient of friction based on these calculations.
  • Some participants reiterate their lack of understanding regarding how to proceed with the calculations given the conflicting information.
  • One participant suggests that the problem may not be well-engineered, indicating potential issues with the problem setup.

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Participants generally disagree on the interpretation of the problem statement and the necessity of finding the coefficient of friction when it is already provided. There are multiple competing views regarding the correct approach to the problem and the validity of the given information.

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There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made in the problem, particularly concerning the given coefficient of friction and the relationship between the speeds and distances involved in the calculations.

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A particle slides up a slope at angle 34 degree to the horizontal with coefficient of friction 0.4. It passes a point P on the way up the slope with 3m/s and passes it on the way down the slope with speed 2 m/s. Find the coefficient of friction between the particle and the slope.
Coefficient of friction=0.4
F=m×a
While going up
-0.4×10cos 34-10sin 34=a
a=-8.91m/s^2.
V^2=u^2+2as
I get the eq
V^2=9-2×8.91s
I don't understand how to calculate further.
Pls help
 
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Shah 72 said:
A particle slides up a slope at angle 34 degree to the horizontal with coefficient of friction 0.4. It passes a point P on the way up the slope with 3m/s and passes it on the way down the slope with speed 2 m/s. Find the coefficient of friction between the particle and the slope.
Coefficient of friction=0.4
F=m×a
While going up
-0.4×10cos 34-10sin 34=a
a=-8.91m/s^2.
V^2=u^2+2as
I get the eq
V^2=9-2×8.91s
I don't understand how to calculate further.
Pls help

wait ... what?
 
skeeter said:
wait ... what?
I don't know how to find the coefficient of friction as if I take v^2= u^2+ 2as, there are two unknown factors which is v and s. So I don't know how to calculate.
 
Shah 72 said:
I don't know how to find the coefficient of friction as if I take v^2= u^2+ 2as, there are two unknown factors which is v and s. So I don't know how to calculate.
skeeter is pointing out that you were given the answer in the problem statement. Look at the bold sections.

-Dan
 
skeeter said:
wait ... what?
I tried but iam getting the same ans. I have no clue.
 
Shah 72 said:
I tried but iam getting the same ans. I have no clue.

Did you read the problem statement? It clearly states the coefficient of friction is 0.4 … why then are you trying to find the coefficient of friction when it’s given?
 
skeeter said:
Did you read the problem statement? It clearly states the coefficient of friction is 0.4 … why then are you trying to find the coefficient of friction when it’s given?
The question asks me to. That's why this question is so confusing. And the ans in the textbook is 0.259
 
Shah 72 said:
The question asks me to. That's why this question is so confusing. And the ans in the textbook is 0.259
Then something is wrong with the problem statement. Talk to your instructor.

-Dan
 
up the incline …

$a = -[10\sin(34)+4\cos(34)] = -8.91 \, m/s^2$

$\Delta x = \dfrac{0^2-3^2}{2a} = 0.51 \, m$

down the incline …

$a = \dfrac{2^2-0^2}{2 \Delta x} = 3.96 \, m/s^2$

$\mu = \dfrac{10\sin(34) - a}{10\cos(34)} = 0.2$

not a very well engineered problem, imo.
 
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up the incline …

$a = -[10\sin(34)+4\cos(34)] = -8.91 \, m/s^2$

$\Delta x = \dfrac{0^2-3^2}{2a} = 0.51 \, m$

down the incline …

$a = \dfrac{2^2-0^2}{2 \Delta x} = 3.96 \, m/s^2$

$\mu = \dfrac{10\sin(34) - a}{10\cos(34)} = 0.2$

not a very well engineered problem, imo.
Tha
skeeter said:
up the incline …

$a = -[10\sin(34)+4\cos(34)] = -8.91 \, m/s^2$

$\Delta x = \dfrac{0^2-3^2}{2a} = 0.51 \, m$

down the incline …

$a = \dfrac{2^2-0^2}{2 \Delta x} = 3.96 \, m/s^2$

$\mu = \dfrac{10\sin(34) - a}{10\cos(34)} = 0.2$

not a very well engineered problem, imo.
Thank you very very much!
 

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