Metal in Microwave Ovens: A Scientific Explanation

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The discussion revolves around the interaction of metal objects, specifically a metal rack, within microwave ovens. Participants explore the reasons behind the advice that metal should not touch the sides of the microwave, examining the underlying physics of electromagnetic waves, field enhancement, and the behavior of different metals in microwave environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about why a metal rack in a microwave should not touch the sides, seeking a satisfactory explanation.
  • Another participant suggests that the metal rack's proximity to the walls may not cause significant issues, as the rack is already close to the walls and the chamber is made of conductive materials.
  • Concerns are raised about the effects of different metals in microwaves, with some metals potentially heating up significantly or causing sparks, which could interfere with microwave operation.
  • A participant proposes that if the rack gets very close to the sides, the electric field between them could become strong enough to cause a spark.
  • Discussion includes the concept of standing electromagnetic waves in the microwave cavity and their potential nodal planes affecting the rack's placement.
  • Another participant explains that sharp points on metal objects can lead to field enhancement, increasing the likelihood of air breakdown and sparking due to high charge density at those points.
  • Lightning rods are mentioned as an example of field enhancement, illustrating how sharp points can attract electrical discharges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific reasons why metal should not touch the sides of the microwave. Multiple competing views and hypotheses are presented regarding the behavior of metals and electromagnetic fields in this context.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the behavior of electromagnetic waves and the properties of different metals remain unresolved. The discussion does not clarify the exact conditions under which sparking occurs or the implications of the various proposed models.

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I recently purchased a new microwave oven, and there's a metal rack in it. The salesmen informed me that it shouldn't cause any problems as long as it didn't touch the sides; however, he was unable to tell me why this is. I have a basic understanding of how microwaves(as in the radiation not the ovens) interact with polar molecules causing heat and how they interact with delocalized electrons, and I can't think of an explanation as to why not touching the sides would prevent this interaction from occurring. Well, that's a lie; a more accurate statement would be that I cannot think of a satisfactory explanation. Any thoughts?
 
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I cannot think of any problems if it touches the sides of the chamber, I would think that the shelf spans nearly the width of the chamber already and is just separated by a few centimeters of holding brackets (if even).

A microwave is a resonant chamber, the chamber is enclosed by good conductors like metal. The main problem with metals in a microwave is that the electromagnetic waves in the oven induce currents and charge localizations in (and mostly on) conductive objects. Objects with sharp points create an effect known as field enhancement because the density of currents and charges at a point is very high despite the actual magnitude being low. The field enhancement can cause the air to breakdown allowing sparks to occur. But a rounded metal object is usually ok which is why you can place the rack in the oven and I cannot imagine any real problems of the rack coming into contact with the walls that wouldn't occur already by just having it in close proximity to the walls.
 
Are you going to read the users manual or take the word of an appliance clerk?
 
I don't know about the issue of touching the sides, but the effect of a microwave on metal, depends on what the metal is. Some metals are greatly heated by microwaves, depeding on the "harmonics" of that metal. Other metals give off sparks, which probably interferes with the operation of the microwave. Note that microwave popcorn uses a small amount (thin strip(s)) of metal that is heated up by a microwave.

It isn't just metals, I seem to recall an some type of dinnerware (an early version of pyrex?) that would shatter into shards or dust when microwaved.
 
It might be that if the rack gets really close to the sides but not quite touches, then the E field between the rack and the metal side will be large enough to cause breakdown so a spark can jump between them.
 
There was no user's manual. I guess going cheap isn't always what it's cut out to be. Why do only sharp points cause these field enhancements?
 
It might be that the standing EM wave in the cavity has a nodal plane at the location of the rack.
 
Meir Achuz said:
It might be that the standing EM wave in the cavity has a nodal plane at the location of the rack.

Not likely, the wavelength is small compared to the size of the cavity so there will be a very large number of modes that should permeate the cavity. In addition, the stirrer also makes it a mixed mode cavity and it further helps in making more even coverage.
 
kashiark said:
There was no user's manual. I guess going cheap isn't always what it's cut out to be. Why do only sharp points cause these field enhancements?

It has to do with the cancellation of the fields inside of a conductor. Charges and currents accumulate on the surface to cancel out incident fields and waves. However, this cancellation is only guaranteed on the interior of the conductor. On the exterior we see a reinforcement of the fields and waves due to the reflection of the waves and bending of the field lines. If we have a conductor that has sharp points, this causes a high density of currents and charges to accumulate at the points. There is not necessarily an increase in the amount of charges that accumulate, but due to the small surface area the density that need to accumulate becomes high. This causes a strong reinforcement of the fields in the immediate volume around the sharp point. Air, and other dielectrics, will eventually breakdown into a plasma if we apply a strong enough electric field. The field enhancement due to the sharp points, like the tines of a fork, greatly facillitate the breakdown of the air which causes all the sparking.

Lightning rods are an application of field enhancement, they provide a thin conducting rod that will, due to being grounded, induce a large amount of charge density compared to the rest of the building or structure. This makes the lightning rod the most likely path for lightning since the fields around the rod are the strongest.
 
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Ah, ok I get it. Thanks!
 

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