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The discussion centers on the concepts of friction velocity (u*), shear stress, and dimensionless analysis in turbulence, specifically using the Monin-Obukhov Similarity Theory (MOST). Friction velocity is defined as a velocity scale derived from wall shear stress, and it is mathematically expressed as u* = √(surface shear stress)/density. The confusion arises from the relationship between shear stress and velocity fluctuations, particularly the no-slip boundary condition, which indicates that velocity fluctuations at the surface are zero, leaving only viscous stress. Additionally, temperature scale (T*) and moisture scale (q*) are mentioned but not elaborated upon.

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AppeltjeBosheuvel
Good afternoon,

I find it hard to understand friction velocity, shear stress, momentum and temperature scale. For a class, we are using MOST dimensionless analysis to find values of intensity for the turbulence. However, I'm struggling with the terms.

What exactly is friction velocity u*? My book only states it is a velocity scale.
I read online it is the same as shear velocity, when shear stress is rewritten in units of velocity (I assume so it is easier to make a dimensionless analysis later). But what exactly is shear stress though? Is is the stress of the resistance between a fast and slow moving air layer when it comes to turbulence? I find it hard to understand.

Functions given are u* = squareroot(surface shear stress)/density = squareroot(-u'w')
Where does the square root come from?

What exactly is T* temperature scale and q* moisture scale of water vapor?

I'm super confused. Thanks already!
 
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Welcome to the wonderful world of turbulence. Friction velocity (and similar scaling factors) don't always have meaningful physical interpretations. In this case, it's a velocity scale that is based on the wall shear stress. As far as I know, it has no other easily-parsed explanations.
 
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Thank you :)
 
AppeltjeBosheuvel said:
Good afternoon,

I find it hard to understand friction velocity, shear stress, momentum and temperature scale. For a class, we are using MOST dimensionless analysis to find values of intensity for the turbulence. However, I'm struggling with the terms.

What exactly is friction velocity u*? My book only states it is a velocity scale.
I read online it is the same as shear velocity, when shear stress is rewritten in units of velocity (I assume so it is easier to make a dimensionless analysis later). But what exactly is shear stress though? Is is the stress of the resistance between a fast and slow moving air layer when it comes to turbulence? I find it hard to understand.

Functions given are u* = squareroot(surface shear stress)/density = squareroot(-u'w')
Where does the square root come from?

What exactly is T* temperature scale and q* moisture scale of water vapor?

I'm super confused. Thanks already!
The surface shear stress is not equal to ##\rho {u'w'}##.
 
Chestermiller said:
The surface shear stress is not equal to ##\rho {u'w'}##.

So what does that meam?
 
AppeltjeBosheuvel said:
So what does that meam?
It means that, because of the no-slip boundary condition, the velocity fluctuations at the surface are zero. So only the viscous stress is present at the surface.
 
Thank you
 

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