Methane mixed with air at 16:1 by mass

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The discussion revolves around calculating the mass fractions of argon, nitrogen, oxygen, and methane in a mixture of methane and air at a 16:1 mass ratio, under conditions of 1 atm and 298K. The problem is approached from a homework perspective, with participants exploring the implications of the mixture's composition and the nature of the gases involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant begins by converting the mass ratio of methane to air into a mole ratio, leading to a complex set of equations involving multiple products and a mass balance for each element.
  • Another participant questions whether the mixture is ignited, noting that the problem statement does not specify combustion, which could simplify the analysis.
  • A later reply acknowledges the misunderstanding, suggesting that the problem is simply about mixing gases rather than combustion, which could indeed simplify the calculations.
  • Another participant emphasizes that air is itself a mixture, agreeing with the notion of simplicity in the problem while pointing out the complexity of air's composition.
  • One participant reiterates the problem statement and suggests using the density of air to calculate the mass of each gas component, proposing a method to derive the mass fractions based on total mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the mixture should be treated as a combustion problem or a simple gas mixture. There is no consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, and multiple interpretations of the problem statement remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the problem due to the multiple products and the need for assumptions regarding the nature of the mixture. The lack of clarity in the problem statement regarding combustion adds to the uncertainty in the approach.

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Homework Statement


Methane is mixed with air at a 16:1 per mass ratio at 1atm and 298K. Calculate the mass fraction of argon, nitrogen, oxygen, and methane in the final mixture

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


First, change mass ratio of reactants to mole ratio

$$
\frac{16 g CH_4}{16 g/mol CH_4} = 1 mol CH_4
$$

$$
\frac{1 g Air}{28.97 g/mol Air} = 0.0345 mol Air
$$

or in nice round terms,

$$
29 mol CH_4
$$
$$
1 mol Air
$$

leading to

$$
29 CH_4 + 1*(0.00933Ar + 0.7809N_2 + 0.2095O_2) = aCH_4 + bCO_2 + cAr + dN_2 + eO_2 + fH_2O + gH_2 + hOH
$$

I feel like this is way too many products to reasonably allow for a timely solution. Anyways, setting up a mass balance for each of the 5 elements in the equation leads to

$$
C: 29 = a + b
$$
$$
H: 4*29 = 4a + 2f + 2g + h
$$
$$
Ar: 0.00933 = c
$$
$$
N: 2*0.7809 = 2d
$$
$$
O: 2*0.2095 = 2b + 2e + f + h
$$

we now know c and d just from these equations leaving us with 3 equations but 7 unknowns (a,b,e,f,g,h,and T). Set up ##K_p## equations based of stoichiometric equations. I'll make a guess at temperature, therefore I only have to set up 3 ##K_p## equations to go with the 3 mass balance equations I already have. However, this is where I'm stuck. When I do this, I end up with crazy complex equations that even Matlab can't solve for the coefficients.

I feel like I have entirely too many products, but I don't know how to pick and choose which ones to keep and which ones to remove. Is there any easier path to take for this problem?
 
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The problem statement doesn't say that the mixture is ignited. Are you sure it is?
 
Chestermiller said:
The problem statement doesn't say that the mixture is ignited. Are you sure it is?

No, the problem statement does not specify whether or not the mixture is in combustion or not. It simply states it is a mixture. I'm not sure how that changes the problem though?

EDIT: Wait, I think I see what you're saying now. I'm trying to work as a combustion problem and it's actually just an extremely simple mixture of two gases. That makes things much easier.
 
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igowithit said:
an extremely simple mixture of two gases

Actually a mixture of several gases, as air is a mixture itself. But I agree on the "simple" part :wink:
 
igowithit said:

Homework Statement


Methane is mixed with air at a 16:1 per mass ratio at 1atm and 298K. Calculate the mass fraction of argon, nitrogen, oxygen, and methane in the final mixture?
It is clearly written that it is methane mixed with air (1 atm is an indication of air) so it is 16 parts by mass of methane and one part by mass air (at 1 atm and 298K).
Use information that density of air is 1.2754 g./L (at 298K )to calculate the mass of each component of gas with its percent composition by mass .Now 1L of air is added to 16*1.2754 g of methane and this will give you 16:1 ratio .Divide each mass of individual gas (obtained above)with total mass of the sample in 1L (1.2754+16*1.2754) to get mass fraction of each component of the gas.
 

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