Method of characteristics and shock waves

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of using the method of characteristics for solving partial differential equations (PDEs) and understanding shock waves. Participants express frustration with switching between variables and grasping the concept of comparing time and distance in the context of characteristics. There is a focus on the importance of initial conditions and how they influence the characteristics' equations. The conversation also touches on the need for better educational resources and the mechanical understanding of solving these problems. Overall, the participants seek clarity on the method's application, particularly in more complex scenarios involving shocks.
  • #31
Really it's u=\sigma from whence you can obtain the solution. So the only other case is for x=1, What are the characteristic equations for this case (as I set them up)?
 
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  • #32
hunt_mat said:
Really it's u=\sigma from whence you can obtain the solution. So the only other case is for x=1, What are the characteristic equations for this case (as I set them up)?

I assume you mean the \sigma = 1 which will give the characteristic x = \alpha t + 1, where \alpha = u and in range from 0 to 1. \alpha = x-1/t so u = x-1/t
 
  • #33
The function u_{0}(0,x) isn't actually defined for x=1 oddly enough and I would expect it to be. The solution seems to indicate that it's 0, so let's go with that. the equations are then:
\frac{dt}{ds}=1\quad t(0)=0,\quad\frac{dx}{ds}=u\quad x(0)=1,\quad\frac{du}{ds}=0\quad u(0)=\alpha, these equations can be solved to yield the equation you said, the equation for x will give you the ranges for the validity of your solution.
 
  • #34
So where was I wrong ? (I have not really seen x being set to something before (except when playing around with limits)) Did you mean it like sigma (I take it these can be interchanged for t=0) ?
 
  • #35
You weren't wrong, I just pointed out the usual process that someone would do when solving these characteristics problems.
 
  • #36
I am still not sure if this all helped (not that your explaining is bad, but me being daft). I am now looking at shocks and weak solutions. I (think I) know how to mechanically get weak solutions, but when it comes to drawing the characteristics for the weak solution - I'm in trouble.

For example here:
prob3.jpg

solution:
shocks.jpg


I can sort of understand why it is straight lines before -1 and after 1 (from below). Because I think I should be looking for the gradient (1/c(σ)) and c(σ) = ρ(x,t), so the 1/0 gives and infinite gradient (i.e. a straight line), but what about the non straight lines ? How to I look at
1+t/(1+x) ? I would probably try and set t first, so the -1<x<sqrt would hold (for example, t = 1) and then just pick any x from those values (in this case x is in (-1;1).

I am also not sure where the "fan" (chars from 0 to 1 point to (1,1)) originates (it's not in the weak solution, or at least I cannot see it...
 
  • #37
The characteristic curves from the system of equations:
\frac{dt}{ds}=1,\quad\frac{dx}{ds}=u,\quad\frac{du}{ds}=...
Are given by dividing the differential equations by each other to obtain:
\frac{dx}{dt}=u
From this you just solve the equation to obtain x=f(t,a) where a is the parameter that decides which characteristic you're on.
 
  • #38
Maybe you could tell me about how you think (your thought process) when you are drawing the characteristics (especially the sloping ones) ? I have circled the ones that maybe will make life easier for both of us.
charsshock.jpg
Because, however I approach it, I get nonsensical line.

Let's say for the first one from the left, I see that it t=0 at say x=-3/4, so If I plug it into the 1+x/(1+t) and invert it, I get gradient 4 (which seems to be a good approximation, as it is really steep). So σ = -3/4 (the value of sigma will aways be the value of x at t=0, right ?) Using the equation for characteristic x=ρt+σ. What does it mean when the characteristic reaches the path of the shock ? Is it where breaking occurs ?
 
  • #39
To compute the characteristics as I have mentioned, I would solve a differential equation I wrote down in the previous post of mine, in the region where u is constant, the characteristics are going to be of the form x-ut=\textrm{constant} and will therefore be straight lines, as you have drawn. For the region where 0&lt;x&lt;1 the solution was u=x/(1+t), and therefore you solve the equation:
\frac{dx}{dt}=\frac{x}{1+t}, solve this to get the shape of the characteristics in that region. What do you get?
 
  • #40
I should add that once we have done this, we can calculate when the shock happens and the path of the shock.
 
  • #41
It should be x = K (1+t) So a straight line, for some constant K. If I use the range x is in I get that
-1&lt;t&lt;\frac{1}{K}+1.

I think I am wasting your time by now. I think it could be high school maths that's my problem. I have no idea where I get K from and no idea how this leads to shock time and path...I'll just try to waffle something in the exam and solve as much as possible "mechanically" If I have not understood this simple subset of PDE's I never will.

I appreciate you taking time to guide me through this, thank you so much!
 
  • #42
The K in your equation specifies which characteristic you're on. Now you can calculate the characteristics we're not in a good position to compute the shock position. Now if we integrate between t_{0} and t, we get the equation:
x=\frac{1+t}{1+t_{0}}
Where t_{0} defines the characteristic. Now we expect that neighbouring characteristics to intersect when a shock forms, so:
x(t,t_{0})\approx x(t,t_{0})=\frac{\partial x}{\partial t_{0}}\delta t_{0}
So the point where the shock forms is when \frac{\partial x}{\partial t_{0}}=0, so can you compute this?
 
  • #43
Having checked the calculation, I realize this is the wrong solution, you should do the same thing for \frac{dx}{dt}=\frac{x-1}{t}, what value of t does this vanish for?
 
  • #44
So x vanishes for t = 1/C... So the x intercept. If C is the "sigma" this confuses me even further...
 
  • #45
I think it shows that x=1+\frac{t}{t_{0}}, then:\frac{\partial x}{\partial t_{0}}=-\frac{t}{t_{0}^{2}} which shows that t=0 is the time when the shock forms and that implies that the shock forms when x=1.
 
  • #46
I did not notice I deleted that part. I got x = 1 - Ct (I did it by differentiating, and equating the logs.

Are we still talking about the same problem as in the picture ? Because it says the shock forms at t=1, x=1.

Anyway, never mind. I understand nothing. Thanks for your help anyway!
 
  • #47
If you send me a PM, I will send you my characteristics notes.
 

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