Method of undertermined coefficients (IVP)

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The discussion revolves around solving an initial value problem involving a second-order linear differential equation: \(y'' - 2y' - 3y = 3te^{2t}\). Participants are exploring the method of undetermined coefficients to find both the homogeneous and particular solutions.

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  • Participants describe their attempts to derive the homogeneous solution and the particular solution, with specific forms proposed for \(y_p\). There are discussions on the derivatives of the proposed solutions and how to combine like terms. Some participants express confusion regarding the coefficients obtained for \(A\) and \(B\) in the particular solution, questioning the correctness of their calculations.

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Several participants have provided feedback on the arithmetic and notation used in the calculations. One participant has identified a potential mistake in the combination of terms, suggesting that the equation should equal 3 instead of 1. Others are checking the work and offering to verify calculations, indicating a collaborative effort to clarify the problem.

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There are mentions of formatting issues with LaTeX in the posts, which may have contributed to confusion. Participants are also reflecting on their understanding of notation and its impact on calculations.

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Homework Statement



Find the solution of the given initial value problem.

\[y''-2y'-3y=3te^{2t}\]

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution

(1) the homogenous solution is given by
\[y_{h}=c_{1}e^{3t}+c_{2}e^{-t}\]

(2) the particular solution is in the form
\[y_{p}=(At+B)e^{2t}\]

(3) The first and second derivatives are then, respectively
\[y'_{p}=Ae^{2t}+2Ate^{2t}+2Be^{2t}\]
\[y''_{p}=2Ae^{2t}+2Ae^{2t}+4Ate^{2t}+4Be^{2t}\]

(3) substitutions and line up
\[y''_{p}=2Ae^{2t}+2Ae^{2t}+4Ate^{2t}+4Be^{2t}\]
\[-2y'_{p}=-2Ae^{2t}-4Ate^{2t}-4Be^{2t}\]
\[-3y_{p}=-3Ate^{2t}-3Be^{2t}\]

(4) combine like terms
\[te^{t}\left [ 4A-4A-3A \right ]=1<br /> \]
\[e^{t}\left [ 4A+4B-2A-4B-3B \right ]=0\]<br />

(5) I got A = -1/3
but this is wrong.
According to the book, Ate^{2t) has a leading coefficient of -1.
However, coincidentally, my B is 2/3, while the book gives -2/3.

The complete solution to this problem with the given IV is
y=e^{3t}+(2/3)e^{-t}-(2/3)e^{2t}-te^{2t}

I have been working on this and other problems for hours and apparently I have been getting many answers... but I have been checking and redoing. Has anyone catch my mistake yet?

Thank you very much!
 
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Fixed latex. You have to include everything in [t e x]...[/t e x]-boxes (without spaces) to make it work.

jwxie said:

Homework Statement



Find the solution of the given initial value problem.

y&#039;&#039;-2y&#039;-3y=3te^{2t}


Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution




(1) the homogenous solution is given by
y_{h}=c_{1}e^{3t}+c_{2}e^{-t}

(2) the particular solution is in the form
y_{p}=(At+B)e^{2t}

(3) The first and second derivatives are then, respectively
y&#039;_{p}=Ae^{2t}+2Ate^{2t}+2Be^{2t}
y&#039;&#039;_{p}=2Ae^{2t}+2Ae^{2t}+4Ate^{2t}+4Be^{2t}

(3) substitutions and line up
y&#039;&#039;_{p}=2Ae^{2t}+2Ae^{2t}+4Ate^{2t}+4Be^{2t}
-2y&#039;_{p}=-2Ae^{2t}-4Ate^{2t}-4Be^{2t}
-3y_{p}=-3Ate^{2t}-3Be^{2t}

(4) combine like terms
te^{t}(4A-4A-3A)=1
e^{t}( 4A+4B-2A-4B-3B)=0

(5) I got A = -1/3
but this is wrong.
According to the book, Ate^{2t) has a leading coefficient of -1.
However, coincidentally, my B is 2/3, while the book gives -2/3.

The complete solution to this problem with the given IV is
y=e^{3t}+(2/3)e^{-t}-(2/3)e^{2t}-te^{2t}

I have been working on this and other problems for hours and apparently I have been getting many answers... but I have been checking and redoing. Has anyone catch my mistake yet?

Thank you very much!
 
jwxie said:

Homework Statement



Find the solution of the given initial value problem.

y&#039;&#039;-2y&#039;-3y=3te^{2t}
(1) the homogenous solution is given by
y_{h}=c_{1}e^{3t}+c_{2}e^{-t}

(2) the particular solution is in the form
y_{p}=(At+B)e^{2t}

(3) The first and second derivatives are then, respectively
y&#039;_{p}=Ae^{2t}+2Ate^{2t}+2Be^{2t}
y&#039;&#039;_{p}=2Ae^{2t}+2Ae^{2t}+4Ate^{2t}+4Be^{2t}

(3) substitutions and line up
y&#039;&#039;_{p}=2Ae^{2t}+2Ae^{2t}+4Ate^{2t}+4Be^{2t}
-2y&#039;_{p}=-2Ae^{2t}-4Ate^{2t}-4Be^{2t}
-3y_{p}=-3Ate^{2t}-3Be^{2t}

(4) combine like terms
te^{t}\left [ 4A-4A-3A \right ]=1<br />
e^{t}\left [ 4A+4B-2A-4B-3B \right ]=0<br />

(5) I got A = -1/3
but this is wrong.
According to the book, Ate^{2t) has a leading coefficient of -1.
However, coincidentally, my B is 2/3, while the book gives -2/3.

The complete solution to this problem with the given IV is
y=e^{3t}+(2/3)e^{-t}-(2/3)e^{2t}-te^{2t}

I have been working on this and other problems for hours and apparently I have been getting many answers... but I have been checking and redoing. Has anyone catch my mistake yet?

Thank you very much!

I have fixed your tex tags for you. Use tex instead of latex in your tags and don't start with \[ and end with \]. I will check your arithmetic in a while unless someone beats me to it.

[Edit] I see micromass already did this.
[Edit II] And somehow, editing removed the corrections :cry:
[Edit III] And now they are back. Go figure.
 
OK, your mistake lies in step (4). You've written

4A-4A-3A=1

But this should be

4A-4A-3A=3

I suspect the other equation in (4) is also wrong...

Edit: the other equation isn't wrong. You should get the correct answer now.

Also, be careful with your notation, writing te^t(4A-4A-3A)=1 is very wrong. You should not write te^t in front.
 
wooo. i must be stupid at the time
thanks to both of you!
sorry! i was on my school computer and i thought it was because of the javascript.
you guys are awesome!

Also, be careful with your notation, writing tet(4A−4A−3A)=1 is very wrong. You should not write tet in front.
I actually mean the like terms of t*e^t. Would that affect my calculation?

:] thanks i will be careful next time
 

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