Why Jet Planes' Tails Are Not Always Visible

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the visibility of jet plane tails, specifically the conditions under which vapor trails, or contrails, are visible. Participants explore the factors influencing the formation of these trails, including environmental conditions and altitude.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that vapor trails are formed when hot water vapor from jet engines condenses into ice crystals in cold air, which is more likely at higher altitudes.
  • Others note that the visibility of contrails can vary even in similar weather conditions, suggesting that factors such as temperature, relative humidity, atmospheric pressure, and engine load play significant roles.
  • A participant mentions that in warmer climates, such as the Sahara, contrails are less likely to form due to higher temperatures.
  • Another participant emphasizes that altitude significantly affects the likelihood of contrail formation, with higher flying planes being more prone to produce them.
  • There is a suggestion to search for previous discussions on the topic, indicating that it has been addressed recently.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the factors affecting contrail visibility, and while some common factors are identified, there is no consensus on the specific conditions that lead to their formation or visibility.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of atmospheric conditions affecting contrail formation, with multiple variables at play that are not fully resolved in the conversation.

temujin
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Hi,

Sometimes when a jet plane is flying above you you can see the white tail from the motors, and sometimes not.
What is the reason for this?
Why isn´t this visible all the time?


regards
t.
 
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Vapour trails are caused by jet planes expelling hot water vapour into the cold air due to the combustion they use. If the air is cold enough, ice crytals form. These crystals are the 'vapour trails'.

Thats why you see them in a lot of jets above 30,000 feet (its ultra cold up there), however not always. For example, over the Sahara you would not see them because it would be too hot for the crystals to develop.

-NewScientist
 
thanks,
However, even where I live (Hamburg) I see planes both with and without these vapour trails...

t.
 
Clouds caused by jet engines are an example of contrails (con)densed water vapor (trail)ing from the exhaust of a turbine engine. There are many variables (temperature, relative humidity, atmospheric pressure, engine load etc...) that make contrails form. Hamburg, Germany must be somewhat similar to the weather here in Maine, USA. We mostly see contrails but in the warmer months there may be planes without them.
 
Temujin. Those factors listed by pete depend drastically on altitude. A higher flying plane is more likely to produce contrails than one flying at less altitude.

This issue was discussed here recently (last 2 weeks or so), have a search for it!
 
brewnog said:
This issue was discussed here recently (last 2 weeks or so), have a search for it!

How about your holidays?

I don't think he will be able to find it, specially if you are referring to my last thread about "Water <Weaks> behind aircrafts". :smile:
 

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