Minimal Prime Tuplets and Nontrivial Bounds for A008407 Sequence

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The discussion revolves around finding nontrivial bounds for the sequence A008407, which pertains to the minimal width for k-tuplets of primes constrained by divisibility. Participants explore the growth behavior of this sequence and its relationship to other sequences, particularly in the context of prime distribution within intervals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that a(n+1) is greater than or equal to a(n) + 2, suggesting a superlinear growth of a(n).
  • Another participant proposes that the sequence can be reformulated as superadditive and connects it to a subadditive sequence, A023193, to derive an upper bound.
  • A specific upper bound is suggested: A023193(n) ≤ floor(n*331/2467 + 33.1), based on the behavior of primes in intervals of consecutive numbers.
  • Discussion includes a method for estimating the number of primes in a small interval, with a reference to the Riemann hypothesis and its implications for error bounds in prime counting functions.
  • One participant expresses interest in finding a sublinear bound that could enhance the approximation's utility, inquiring about relevant literature.

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Participants present various approaches and bounds without reaching a consensus. Multiple competing views on the bounds and their implications remain evident throughout the discussion.

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Participants acknowledge the dependence of some results on unproven hypotheses, such as the Riemann hypothesis and the k-tuple conjecture, which introduces uncertainty in the proposed bounds.

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Readers interested in prime number theory, mathematical sequences, and bounds related to prime distributions may find the discussion relevant.

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I was wondering if any nontrivial bounds for http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A008407 were known. This is the sequence of minimal width for k-tuplets of primes allowed by divisibility concerns. a(2) = 2 since n, n+2 could both be prime; n, n+1 isn't admissible since then either n or n+1 is even.

Clearly a(n+1) >= a(n) + 2, but practically speaking a(n) seems to grow superlinearly.
 
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Ah, it just hit me: an appropriate reformulation of the sequence is superadditive. Even better, http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A023193 is subadditive, so I can just use the best ratio with some additive constant as an absolute bound.

OK, here's what I have: A023193(n) <= floor(n*331/2467+33.1). This comes from the fact that A023193(4934) = 662, so 4934 consecutive numbers can't contain more than 662 primes as long as the smallest number in the range > 4934. So clearly every 4934n numbers can't contain more than 662n primes, since each of the n subintervals must be legal as well. The additive constant 33.1 is such that this holds for 1 <= n <= 4934, and so must hold for all n >= 1. (Also, checking shows that this actually holds even if the smallest number is less than 4934.)
 
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The purpose of the thread was to find an upper bound on the number of primes in a 'small' interval h, [itex]\pi(x)-\pi(x-h)[/itex]. Under the Riemann hypothesis we have

[tex]\left|\pi(x)-\pi(x-h)-(\operatorname{li}(x)-\operatorname{li}(x-h))\right|\le\frac{\ln x\sqrt x+\ln(x-h)\sqrt{x-h}}{8\pi}\approx\frac{\ln x\sqrt x}{4\pi}[/tex]

for x-h > 3000, but we expect a large degree of cancellation. Using the above result we have

[tex]\pi(x)-\pi(x-h)\le\frac{331h}{2467}+33.1[/tex]

which may be tighter for small h or large x and is not dependent on the RH or any other unproved hypothesis -- though the k-tuple conjecture would mean that A02319 is a maximum rather than 'just' an upper bound.
 
So equating the errors in the two methods, I get
[tex]\frac{331h}{2467}+33.1\approx\frac{\ln x\sqrt x}{4\pi}[/tex]
which is
[tex]h\approx2.372\ln x\sqrt x-4.44[/tex]

So for large x, this method can be useful. Still, I wonder if there is a sublinear bound for this, which could greatly increase the useful range of the approximation. Has anyone seen something like this? Is there a book or a paper I could read?
 

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