Minimize Crease Length of Paper in Terms of Width

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The discussion revolves around minimizing the length of a crease formed when a rectangular piece of paper of width $W$ is manipulated. Participants explore the mathematical relationships and geometric properties involved in determining the minimal crease length $L$ in terms of the width $W$. The conversation includes various approaches, equations, and challenges related to the problem.

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  • One participant presents the problem and asks for the minimal value of the crease length $L$ in terms of width $W$.
  • Another participant proposes an equation $L^2 = (2a^3) / (2a - w)$ when $AB = 3W/4$, seeking validation of their approach.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in deriving a solution and discusses the relationship between the sides of the triangles formed in the problem.
  • Further contributions involve attempts to derive equations and derivatives related to the crease length, with some participants recalling previous observations and equations.
  • One participant notes the absence of "all integer" solutions and mentions specific primitive solutions under certain conditions.

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Participants express varying degrees of confidence in their approaches, with some agreeing on certain equations while others struggle with the derivation process. The discussion does not reach a consensus on a definitive solution or method for minimizing $L$.

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Participants mention specific conditions and assumptions, such as the configuration of the triangles and the relationship between the sides, but these remain unresolved and depend on further clarification or derivation.

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Hello MHB,

Consider a rectangular piece of paper of width $W$ laid on a flat surface. The lower left corner of the paper is bought over to the right edge of the paper, and the paper is smoothed flat creating a crease of length $L$, as in the diagram:

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What is the minimal value of $L$ in terms of $W$?
 

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MarkFL said:
Hello MHB,

Consider a rectangular piece of paper of width $W$ laid on a flat surface. The lower left corner of the paper is bought over to the right edge of the paper, and the paper is smoothed flat creating a crease of length $L$, as in the diagram:

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...A...... B

What is the minimal value of $L$ in terms of $W$?
When AB = 3W/4

a = AB
L^2 = (2a^3) / (2a - w)

Above is my contribution...(Coffee)
 
Wilmer said:
When AB = 3W/4

a = AB
L^2 = (2a^3) / (2a - w)

Above is my contribution...(Coffee)

This is correct...can you show how you arrived at this solution? (Sun)
 
Code:
A                       F 
                        D 
 
 
C                 B     E
a = BC = BD, b = AC = AD, c = AB, w = AF

Mark, that's a frustratingly delightful li'l problem!
Boils down to 2 congruent right triangles (ABC and ABD)
stuck together along the common hypotenuse AB, then
"completing the rectangle" (ACEF) thus forming
2 similar right triangles (ADF and BDE).

Simple enough it appears, but I'm kinda stuck.

I've been able to "see" that when c (your L) is at minimum,
then b = aSQRT(2) and c = aSQRT(3); so c = 3wSQRT(3) / 4,
using my previous observation: a = (3/4)w.

So I need to come up with some equation such that after
taking its 1st derivative, I'm left with 4c = 3wSQRT(3).

Can't wrap it up; take me out of my misery!
 
Wilmer said:
...Can't wrap it up; take me out of my misery!

Okay, here is my solution:

I have filled in the previous diagram with the information I need:

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By similarity, we may state:

$$\frac{\sqrt{L^2-x^2}}{W}=\frac{x}{\sqrt{W(2x-W)}}$$

Squaring, we obtain:

$$\frac{L^2-x^2}{W^2}=\frac{x^2}{W(2x-W)}$$

$$L^2-x^2=\frac{Wx^2}{2x-W}$$

$$L^2=\frac{2x^3}{2x-W}$$

At this point we see that we require $$\frac{W}{2}<x\le W$$.

Minimizing $L^2$ will also minimize $L$, and so differentiating with respect to $x$ and equating to zero, we find:

$$\frac{d}{dx}\left(L^2 \right)=\frac{(2x-W)\left(6x^2 \right)-(2)\left(2x^3 \right)}{(2x-W)^2}=\frac{2x^2(4x-3W)}{(2x-W)^2}=0$$

Discarding the root outside of the meaningful domain, we are left with:

$$4x-3W=0$$

$$x=\frac{3}{4}W$$

The first derivative test easily shows that this is a minimum, as the linear factor in the numerator, the only factor which changes sign, goes from negative to positive across this critical value.

Thus, we may state:

$$L_{\min}=L\left(\frac{3}{4}W \right)=\sqrt{\frac{2\left(\frac{3}{4}W \right)^3}{2\left(\frac{3}{4}W \right)-W}}=\frac{3\sqrt{3}}{4}W$$
 

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Thanks Mark.
Somewhat tougher than I thought...
Sure glad to see the SQRT(3)!
 
Damn! I was ok up to your L^2 = 2x^3 / (2x - W) , then to 2x^2(4x - 3W) = 0

Entirely forgot about this:
"Discarding the root outside of the meaningful domain, we are left with:"

Gotta good memory, but it's short (Emo)

(I don't have enough hair to do that!)

Again, NICE problem.
 
Of course, there will be no "all integer" solutions.
Interestingly, very few exist if "minimum L" condition is removed;
only 4 primitives keeping short leg of right triangle < 10000:
(right triangle sides, W):
75,100, 125, 96
845, 2028, 2197, 1440
2312, 4335, 4913, 3600
4375, 15000, 15625, 8064
 

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