Minimizing final velocity on a balistic trajectory

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The discussion revolves around the problem of minimizing the final velocity of a ball thrown on a ballistic trajectory, specifically focusing on the initial angle and velocity of the throw. Participants explore theoretical aspects of projectile motion, conservation of energy, and mathematical approaches to the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that there exists an optimal angle between a line drive and a high-arching trajectory that minimizes the final velocity of the ball.
  • Another participant proposes that minimizing the final kinetic energy can be achieved by minimizing the initial kinetic energy, referencing conservation of energy principles.
  • A different viewpoint indicates that ideally, the ball should reach its peak height when caught, implying that potential energy would be maximized and kinetic energy minimized at that moment.
  • One participant mentions using the kinetic energy equation and boundary conditions to simplify the mathematical approach to the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the optimal trajectory and energy considerations, but no consensus is reached on a definitive solution or method.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference conservation of energy and kinetic energy equations, but the discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the trajectory and energy dynamics.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying projectile motion, conservation laws in physics, or mathematical modeling of physical problems.

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I thought of the following academic problem while watching a baseball movie.

I ballplayer wishes to throw the game-winning ball to a kid in the stands. He wants to minimize the final velocity of the ball. Not the horizontal component of the velocity, but the the total magnitude of the velocity. Obviously, he controlls the initial angle and initial velocity. A line drive right at the kid is obviously leads to a maximum final velocity, while a high-arching trajectory also leads to a maximum velocity. There is some angle inbetween these two choices that leads to a minimum final velocity.

My intuition says the choice trajectory would be the one where the ball arives at the top of it's parabola with zero vertical velocity.

I don't have it on me know, but I wrote an equation for the final velocity, took it's derivative with respect to initial velocity, and set that equal to zero. Horrible math ensued. Any ideas on other math tricks for this academic problem? Conservation of energy?
 
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flatmaster said:
Conservation of energy?

Hi flatmaster! :smile:

Yup … conservation of energy means that KEf = KEi - mgh, where m is the mass of the ball, and h is the height of the stand.

So you minimise KEf by minimising KEi. :wink:
 
I would imagine that, ideally, you would want the ball to peak right when he catches it. Assuming conservation of energy, this will be the time when PE is highest... and correspondingly KE will be lowest.

If you threw the ball higher than this, you would have to put more E = PE + KE into it. If you threw it lower, the kid wouldn't be able to catch it.
 
I think I see the remainder of the proof. I take tiny tim's suggestion that minimizing KEi is easier mathematically. So I use the kenitic energy equation and use the additional bountry condition of ariving at the point x,y, to eliminate one of my remaining variables.
 

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