What Is the Final Velocity of a Projectile on an Elevated Green?

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The problem involves a projectile motion scenario where a golfer hits a ball towards an elevated green that is 3.0 m above the point of impact. The ball is struck at a speed of 14.0 m/s at an angle of 40.0° above the horizontal, and the task is to determine the speed of the ball just before it lands, ignoring air resistance.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the final velocity by breaking it into its x and y components. There are attempts to clarify the use of kinematic equations, particularly regarding the change in height and the initial velocity components. Some participants suggest using energy principles as an alternative verification method.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various interpretations of the kinematic equations and the correct application of the change in height. Some participants express uncertainty about the initial conditions and the calculations involved, while others affirm the correctness of the approach taken by the original poster.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the change in height and the representation of initial velocity components. Participants are also addressing the implications of ignoring air resistance in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


A golfer hits a shot to a green that is elevated 3.0 m above the point where the ball is struck. The ball leaves the club at a speed of 14.0 m/s at an angle of 40.0° above the horizontal . It rises to its maximum height and then falls down to the green. Ignoring air resistance, find the peed of the ball just before it lands.

Homework Equations


##v_x = v_{0x} = \left \| v_0 \right \|\cos\theta##
##v_y^2 = v_{0y}^2 + 2ay##
##v = \sqrt{v_x^2 + v_y^2}##

The Attempt at a Solution



We begin with ##v = \sqrt{v_x^2 + v_y^2}## since the magnitude of the final velocity is what we desire. Thus, we need to find ##v_x## and ##v_y##. Therefore, we use ##v_x = v_{0x} = \left \| v_0 \right \|\cos\theta## since the velocity in the x-direction does not change from the initial (we're neglecting air resistance). Thus ##v_x = (14 ~m/s)\cos40^{\circ} = 10.7~m/s##. Now,we find ##v_y##, the final velocity in the y-direction. Since time is not metioned, we'll use ##v_y^2 = v_{0y}^2 + 2ay##, specifically ##v_y = -\sqrt{v_{0y}^2 + 2ay}##. Thus ##v_y = -\sqrt{v_{0y}^2 + 2ay} = -\sqrt{(v\sin\theta)^2 + 2(-9.8~m/s^2)(3~m - 0~m)} = -4.71~m/s##. Therefore, the magnitude of the final velocity should be ##v = \sqrt{v_x^2 + v_y^2} = \sqrt{(10.7~m/s)^2 + (-4.71~m/s)^2} = 11.7~m/s ##. Is this the correct answer? If not what am I doing wrong and why?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
##v_y^2 = v_{0y}^2 + 2ay##
You might want to write this as ##v_y^2 = v_{0y}^2 + 2a\Delta y##

(You have the change in height being positive.)

Another way to double check your answer is to use energy principles.
 
Doc Al said:
You might want to write this as ##v_y^2 = v_{0y}^2 + 2a\Delta y##
Did you mean ##v_{0y}^2 = v_{y}^2 + 2a\Delta y##?
 
haruspex said:
Did you mean ##v_{0y}^2 = v_{y}^2 + 2a\Delta y##?
No, I think I had it correct.

I believe he's using ##v_{0y}## to represent the y-component of the initial velocity.
 
Doc Al said:
No, I think I had it correct.

I believe he's using ##v_{0y}## to represent the y-component of the initial velocity.
Sorry - my mistake.
 
Doc Al said:
You might want to write this as ##v_y^2 = v_{0y}^2 + 2a\Delta y##

(You have the change in height being positive.)

Another way to double check your answer is to use energy principles.
So is the final answer correct or incorrect? I did utilize a change in y since the final position is 3m and the initial is 0m; the change in that is just 3m. Is my approach correct or am I missing something?
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
I did utilize a change in y since the final position is 3m and the initial is 0m; the change in that is just 3m.
Oops... I just realized that I misread the problem. The green was 3m higher, not the tee. So your approach looks fine to me. I'll check the answer in a minute.
 
Yes, your answer is correct.
 
Doc Al said:
Yes, your answer is correct.
Awesome! Thanks.
 

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