Minimizing the slope of the tangent to a curve

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The discussion revolves around finding the point on the graph of the function y = x³ - 4x² where the tangent line has the minimum slope. Participants explore methods of deriving the curve and minimizing the slope, engaging in a mix of mathematical reasoning and clarification of concepts.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests deriving the curve to find the slope, resulting in the expression 3x² - 8x.
  • Another participant questions the reasoning behind equating the derivative to zero, indicating a misunderstanding of the goal of minimizing the slope.
  • Some participants propose that the slope should be minimized rather than the curve itself, leading to further discussion on the correct approach.
  • There is a suggestion to differentiate the slope expression and equate it to zero to find critical values.
  • A later reply corrects an earlier claim about the solution to the equation 3x² - 8x = 0, stating the correct roots are x = 0 and x = 8/3.
  • Concerns are raised about not taking the second derivative of the original function to find the minimum slope.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct method for minimizing the slope, with multiple competing views and some confusion regarding the steps involved in the process.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps, particularly regarding the differentiation of the slope expression and the implications of the critical points found.

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determine the point on the graph of: y = x3 - 4 x2 in which the tangent line has the minimum slope.

answer (4/3, -128/27)

ok my original idea was yo derive the curve first
3x2-8x
But when I equal to 0 I get x= 3/8

The curve would be the main
and the constrain y = mx
I tried and i couldnot find the answer
 
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Re: tangente to a curve

leprofece said:
determine the point on the graph of: y = x3 - 4 x2 in which the tangent line has the minimum slope.

answer (4/3, -128/27)

ok my original idea was yo derive the curve first
3x2-8x
But when I equal to 0 I get x= 3/8

The curve would be the main
and the constrain y = mx
I tried and i couldnot find the answer
Why have you equated $3x^2-8x$ to $0$?
 
Re: tangente to a curve

caffeinemachine said:
Why have you equated $3x^2-8x$ to $0$?

I derived curve first
so i got that and I equated to 0 because the derivative equated to 0 = m = tangent
 
Re: tangente to a curve

leprofece said:
I derived curve first
so i got that and I equated to 0 because the derivative equated to 0 = m = tangent

But you want to minimize the slope of the curve, not the curve itself. :D
 
Re: tangente to a curve

MarkFL said:
But you want to minimize the slope of the curve, not the curve itself. :D

Ok friend so it must be m= y/(x-x1) or maybe y/x
 
What you want to do is find an expression for the slope of the curve (the first derivative) and then minimize that...so what should you actually do here?
 
MarkFL said:
What you want to do is find an expression for the slope of the curve (the first derivative) and then minimize that...so what should you actually do here?

Excuse me I am not able to now
 
You want to minimize the slope of the curve. The slope $s$ of the curve is found by differentiating with respect to the independent variable:

$$s(x)=\frac{d}{dx}\left(x^3-4x^2 \right)=3x^2-8x$$

This is what we want to minimize. So you want to differentiate this and equate the result to zero to determine the critical value. What do you find?
 
MarkFL said:
You want to minimize the slope of the curve. The slope $s$ of the curve is found by differentiating with respect to the independent variable:

$$s(x)=\frac{d}{dx}\left(x^3-4x^2 \right)=3x^2-8x$$

This is what we want to minimize. So you want to differentiate this and equate the result to zero to determine the critical value. What do you find?

I DID THAT
this is the slope for x = 3/8
and then ?
I was stuck there
 
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leprofece said:
I DID THAT
this is the slope for x = 3/8
and then ?
I was stuck there

First off, the solution for $3x^2-8x=0$ is $x=0 \vee x=8/3$ instead of $x=3/8$.

More importantly, you did not take the derivative of $3x^2-8x$.
Its derivative (the 2nd derivative of the original function), is $6x-8$.
Set it equal to zero, and you'll get $6x-8=0$.
 

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