Minimum time through a cyclotron

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the minimum time for a particle to traverse a cyclotron, focusing on the relationship between speed, energy transfer, and the geometry of the cyclotron's design.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the particle's speed and the energy imparted by the cyclotron's dees. Questions arise regarding how to quantify the energy transfer per rotation and the implications of the radius on maximum speed.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, discussing various aspects of the cyclotron's operation. Some have provided insights into the time taken for rotations and the factors influencing speed, while others are seeking clarification on specific calculations and relationships.

Contextual Notes

There are ongoing discussions about the assumptions related to the magnetic field and the energy dynamics within the cyclotron, as well as the need for additional information to fully resolve the problem.

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Homework Statement


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v initial is also equal to 1000

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The Attempt at a Solution


the only time the particle actually speeds up is during the crossing of the dees. so
integral of of Vdx = the maximum energy of the system, but i don't know how to make this into an equation that will give me minimum time.

any help would be great!
 
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hi kulgan! welcome to pf! :smile:

you need to add the time taken to go round those semi-circles …

that will depend on v and on the (constant) magnetic field B :wink:
 
i understand that the time taken to go around each time is the same, so basically i need to find how many rotations it will take to get to the maximum speed that the cyclotron will support.
this brings me to my problem how do i get the amount of energy transferred by the dees each rotation.
the radius of the outside will determine my maximum speed correct?
so r=mv^2/qvb?
and how do i get the speed each dee imparts?
 
kulgan said:
… and how do i get the speed each dee imparts?

work done = qV ? :wink:
 
(((qr2B2)/m)-500)/1000)+1 gives number of semi circle rotations.
time through a rotation is given by 2pi*r/v/2
so how do you determine the time through a rotation?
it should be the same time for each one but now I'm unsure how to determine what it should be...
 
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kulgan said:
so how do you determine the time through a rotation?

from your equation r=mv2/qvb :smile:
 
thanks for your help
 

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