What is the estimated path length traveled by a deuteron in a cyclotron?

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The discussion revolves around estimating the total path length traveled by a deuteron in a cyclotron, specifically focusing on the parameters such as radius, operating frequency, and accelerating potential. The subject area includes concepts from electromagnetism and particle physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss calculating the kinetic energy of the deuteron and the number of crossings in the cyclotron. There are attempts to derive the total path length based on these calculations. Some participants question the initial assumptions about the starting position of the particle and suggest alternative methods for estimating the trajectory radius over multiple revolutions.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various approaches to estimating the path length, with some participants providing guidance on considering the starting position of the particle. There is acknowledgment of the complexity involved in the calculations, and while some methods are proposed, there is no explicit consensus on the best approach.

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Participants note the challenge of estimating the path length due to the particle's starting position being close to the center rather than the outer rim, which may affect the calculations. There is also mention of using computational methods to explore the problem further.

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Homework Statement


Estimate the total path length traveled by a deuteron in a cyclotron of radius 53 cm and operating frequency 12 MHz during the entire acceleration process. Accelerating potential between dees is 80 kV.

mass m = 3.2e-27 kg
charge q = 1.6e-19 C
radius r = 0.53 m
frequency f = 12e6 /s
potential V = 80e3 V

Homework Equations



(1) kinetic energy KE = .5*m*v^2

Consider a charged particle of mass m, charge q, velocity v perpendicular to magnetic field B. The particle will travel in a circle of radius r with frequency f:

(2) r = (m*v)/(q*B)

(3) f = (q*B)/(2*pi*m)

(4) V = J/C

The Attempt at a Solution



My plan is to calculate the KE the particle has on leaving the machine (r = .53m). This total KE results from N crossing of the dees. So divide the final KE by the KE per crossing to get N. The total number of revolutions is half of N. Estimate the total path length by multiplying N/2 by the outer circumference of the machine, 2*pi*r.

1. Final KE

rearrange (2) above: v = (r*q*B)/m

substitute for v in (1):
(5) KE = (m/2)*(r*q*B/m)^2

rearrange (2) B = (2*pi*m*f)/q

substitute for B in (5) and simplify: KE = 2*m*(r*pi*f)^2

Using values given above, KE = 2.67e-12 J (r = .53m).

2. KE per crossing

rearrange (4) J = V*C

Using values given (V=80e3, C=1.6e-19)
KE = 1.28e-14 J

Dividing total KE by per-crossing KE gives 208 crossings, 104 revolutions.

3. Estimated distance is 2*pi*r*104 (r=.53m) = 346 m.

Given answer is 240 m.


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gmark said:
Estimate the total path length by multiplying N/2 by the outer circumference of the machine, 2*pi*r.
Particle doesn't start at the outer rim but very close to the center
 
Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately I don't know how to proceed. All I can think of is silly: take the derivative of final KE (step 1 above) wrt the radius, and integrate from r=0 to r=0.53. This accomplishes nothing, of course, and results in the same wrong answer I got before.
 
Calculate the trajectory radius after 1, 2, 3, etc revolution (= 2, 4, 6, ... acceleration steps)
 
Thanks. That works. Yay for Python and brute force.
 

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