Minkowski vs deSitter: hyperbolic vs spherical?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of matterless spacetime, specifically comparing Minkowski space and de Sitter space. Participants explore the geometric interpretations of these spaces, their implications for expanding spacetime, and the physical relevance of de Sitter space.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how Minkowski space is described as hyperbolic while de Sitter space is described as (hyper)spherical.
  • Another participant references a previous discussion stating that de Sitter space is a hypersurface in a higher-dimensional Minkowski space, raising questions about which model is typically referred to in discussions of expanding spacetime.
  • A different participant asserts that de Sitter space is not a physical model but rather a solution to the Einstein equations, suggesting it lacks practical meaning outside of certain contexts.
  • One participant acknowledges the Robertson-Walker metric as a useful concept for understanding expanding spacetime.
  • There is a suggestion that the physical interpretation of de Sitter space may only be relevant on a cosmic scale.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the physical relevance of de Sitter space, with some questioning its utility while others acknowledge its theoretical significance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the geometric differences between Minkowski and de Sitter spaces.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the physical interpretations of the models and the contexts in which they are applied. The relationship between the geometric properties of the spaces and their physical implications is not fully explored.

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I am a bit confused over the shape of matterless spacetime:confused:: on one side Minkowski space is described as hyperbolic, and deSitter space is (hyper)spherical. Both are used, yet how can you have spacetime being both hyperbolic and spherical?
 
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Wait. I just found the following from another thread:"de Sitter space is... a (3+1) 4-dimensional hypersurface in a 5-dimensional (4+1) Minkowski space." I think that answers my question, but this poses another, rather elementary question: in discussions of expanding spacetime, which one are we referring to?
 
De Sitter space is not a physical model. It is a solution of the Einstein equations but doesn't make much sense.
In discussions of expanding spacetime, we usually mean the Robertson-Walker-metric.
 
Thanks for the tip about the Robertson-Walker-metric. That gives me something to work through.
When you say that de Sitter space "doesn't make much sense", I presume you mean that its physical interpretation remains only useful on a cosmic scale.
 

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