Mirrors (concave) + questions on lens and mirrors

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The discussion revolves around the properties and calculations related to concave mirrors, specifically in the context of image formation and focal lengths. Participants explore the relationship between radius of curvature, focal length, and image characteristics, while also addressing questions about the differences between mirrors and lenses.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants attempt to apply the mirror formula and discuss the implications of radius of curvature on focal length. Questions arise regarding how to identify concave versus convex mirrors and the significance of positive and negative focal lengths.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide clarifications about the relationships between focal lengths and mirror types, while others express confusion about the implications of given focal lengths in different contexts. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for textbook references to clarify focal length relationships and express concerns about understanding these concepts in preparation for an upcoming test.

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1. The image of the moon is formed by a concave mirror whose radius of curvature is 4.20 m at a time when the moon's distance is 3.8 x 10^5 km. What is the diameter of the image of the moon if the diameter of the moon is 3480 km?



2. 1/f = 1/do + 1/di
M = hi/ho = - di/do




3. 1/f = 1/do + 1/di
di = dof/do - f
= 3.8 x 1065(0.0042)/3.8 x 10^5 - 0.0042
= 0.0042 km

hi/ho = - di/do
hi= ho (- di/do)
= 3480(-0.0042/3.8 x 10^5)
= -3.8 x 10^-5 km

I'm not sure if this is right. I also have some questions how do you know if it is concave or convex (lens/mirrors if the book doesn't say it), what's the difference between mirrors and lens, and how do you tell if its a converging lens or a diverging lens what's the difference between them. Thank You! :]
 
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4.2m is the radius of curvature, it is not the focal length. See your textbook for how f depends on R.

whitehorsey said:
I also have some questions how do you know if it is concave or convex (lens/mirrors if the book doesn't say it), what's the difference between mirrors and lens,
A lens works by refraction of transmitted rays, while a mirror works by reflection.

... and how do you tell if its a converging lens or a diverging lens what's the difference between them. Thank You! :] [/b]

We know this is a concave mirror because the problem statement says so.

More generally:

A positive focal length indicates a concave mirror, and convex or converging lens.

A negative focal length indicates a convex mirror, and concave or diverging lens.
 
Redbelly98 said:
4.2m is the radius of curvature, it is not the focal length. See your textbook for how f depends on R.


A lens works by refraction of transmitted rays, while a mirror works by reflection.



We know this is a concave mirror because the problem statement says so.

More generally:

A positive focal length indicates a concave mirror, and convex or converging lens.

A negative focal length indicates a convex mirror, and concave or diverging lens.

oh ok i see.
i have two more questions:
What happens if the problem says that it is a convex mirror and gives a positive focus do we change that to negative or if they give a negative focus do we change that to a positive?

What happens if your trying to solve for the focus on a concave mirror and get a positve focus do I change that to a negative or leave it as it is?

I'm kind of confused on this and I want to be able to understand it for my test tomorrow.
Thank You!
 
whitehorsey said:
oh ok i see.
i have two more questions:
What happens if the problem says that it is a convex mirror and gives a positive focus do we change that to negative or if they give a negative focus do we change that to a positive?
The focal length is negative for a convex mirror, so:
  • if they give a positive focus, change that to negative
  • if they give a negative focus, keep it as negative

What happens if your trying to solve for the focus on a concave mirror and get a positve focus do I change that to a negative or leave it as it is?
A concave mirror has a positive focal length, so if you get a positive focus keep it positive.
A convex mirror has a negative focus, so if you calculate a positive focus then something is wrong. Check your work.

I'm kind of confused on this and I want to be able to understand it for my test tomorrow.
Thank You!
You're welcome. Good luck!
 
Thank You again! :]
 

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