Missing something obvious in this derivation

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The discussion revolves around a derivation related to the kinetic energy in a two-body problem, specifically focusing on the use of reduced mass. Participants are examining the algebraic steps involved in the derivation and questioning the presence or absence of certain mass terms in the final expression.

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  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the absence of a $$ \mu^2$$ term in the derivation, questioning whether mass terms should be squared when substituting values.
  • Another participant suggests that the issue may relate to dimensional analysis, questioning the expectation for mass terms to appear in the energy formula.
  • A different participant notes that a factor of ##m_1+m_2## cancels out in the derivation, which may clarify the confusion.
  • Another participant confirms that mass terms are indeed squared but asserts that proper algebraic manipulation leads to the expression ##\frac{m_1m_2}{m_1+m_2}##.
  • One participant expresses agreement with the point made about the algebraic process.
  • Another participant encourages writing out the derivation on paper rather than relying on mental calculations, implying this may simplify the understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have differing views on the role of mass terms in the derivation, with some asserting that certain terms cancel while others question the expectations regarding dimensionality. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of the derivation.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the derivation steps, particularly concerning the treatment of mass terms and their implications in the kinetic energy formula.

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Hi,

I've attached a file displaying a derivation to make the kinetic energy of a two-body problem into a kinetic energy only involving the reduced mass. When plugging 8.3 into 8.1, I just don't quite see how this derivation makes sense. Shouldn't there be a $$ \mu^2$$ term? Since when squaring the absolute value of r1, aren't the mass terms also squared? If I'm not mistaken, it simply looks like the mass terms are not squared when plugging in 8.3 into 8.1.

I feel like I'm missing something painfully obvious here, so any help is appreciated!
 

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TheCanadian said:
I feel like I'm missing something painfully obvious here,
Isn't it just a matter of dimensions? Why would you expect mass2 to come into the energy formula?
 
There's a factor of ##m_1+m_2## that cancels against one of the factors in the denominator.
 
TheCanadian said:
Since when squaring the absolute value of r1, aren't the mass terms also squared?
Yes, they are squared. But if you make the substitutions and work through the algebra, you just end up with ##\frac{m_1m_2}{m_1+m_2}##
 
I agree with fzero.
 
Right. Just put it down on paper, instead of imagining what will happen, and it comes out very easily.
 

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