Model Steel for Large Deformation: Multilinear Isotropic Hardening

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around modeling steel for large deformation using Multilinear Isotropic Hardening, specifically in the context of material non-linearity. Participants explore the appropriate choice between stress vs total strain and stress vs plastic strain, as well as the implications of using engineering versus true stress and strain values. The application is related to simulating a 4-point bending test.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on whether to use stress vs total strain or stress vs plastic strain for modeling steel, indicating a preference for the latter.
  • The same participant questions whether to use engineering stress and plastic strain or true stress and true strain values for the model.
  • Another participant inquires about the existence of two yield points in a stress-strain curve, suggesting a focus on material science.
  • A third participant explains that the difference between engineering strain and true strain is significant during phenomena like tensile necking, and discusses the implications of plastic analysis in engineering structures.
  • A follow-up question is posed regarding the reasons for the presence of upper and lower yield points, indicating a desire for deeper understanding of the stress-strain behavior of materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate modeling approach and the interpretation of yield points, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of engineering and true stress/strain, and the implications of using different types of strain in modeling, which may not be fully explored.

Who May Find This Useful

Researchers and practitioners in material science, mechanical engineering, and structural analysis may find this discussion relevant, particularly those interested in material behavior under large deformation and non-linear modeling techniques.

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I am trying to do a problem on Material Non-linearity , to model steel for large deformation , beyond yield point ,
I have tensile testing data for the steel ( in form of Engineering stress vs Engineering strain).

for defining the model , I chose Multilinear Isotropic hardening
now there are 2 options
stress vs total strain & stress vs Plastic strain

Which option should I choose ( I was asked to choose Stress vs Plastic strain )
Also , what values should I use ? Engineering stress , Engineering Plastic strain (engineering strain - engineering stress/youngs modulus ) ;
or True stress and true strain values ( I know how to calculate them )

can anyone clarify?

Also , to make it clear , I am trying to simulate a 4 point bending test , I know how to do contact analysis etc , I am only confused about the material modelling part
 
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Sir, since you are concerned with the field of material science, may I ask a question in that regards??

I wanted to know why are there two yield points in a stress strain curve ?
 


The difference between engineering strain and true strain only becomes significant when phenomena such as tensile necking occur.

In normal engineering structures plastic analyis is conducted as a transition from linear-elastic to full plastic and the resulting stress block deduced, often as the formation of a plastic hinge. In this type of analysis the strain remains small and limited by elastic engineering considerations.
 


thnksss...but i was asking about the upper and lower yield points...the case of true engineeriing stress-strain curve and normal stress-strain curve arises only after the ultimate failure stage...
can you tell something regarding the reason as to why there are two yield points, upper and lower??
 

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