Model the forces as constant over a short interval of time

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving forces acting on a boat being propelled across a lake. The problem includes calculating the buoyant force and modeling forces as constant to determine the boat's velocity after a specific time interval.

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  • Participants explore the calculation of the buoyant force and the net force acting on the boat. There is a focus on determining the correct angle to use for the horizontal component of the force exerted by the pole, with some confusion about the angles involved.

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Participants are actively discussing the calculations and reasoning behind the results. Some express uncertainty about the correctness of their answers, while others confirm that their calculations yield similar results. There is acknowledgment of potential roundoff errors in the online submission system.

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The figure below shows a worker poling a boat-a very efficient mode of transportation-across a shallow lake. He pushes parallel to the length of the light pole, exerting on the bottom of the lake a force of 225 N. Assume the pole lies in the vertical plane containing the boat's keel. At one moment, the pole makes an angle of 30.0° with the vertical and the water exerts a horizontal drag force of 47.5 N on the boat, opposite to its forward velocity of magnitude 0.857 m/s. The mass of the boat including its cargo and the worker is 360 kg.

(a) The water exerts a buoyant force vertically upward on the boat. Find the magnitude of this force.

(b) Model the forces as constant over a short interval of time to find the velocity of the boat 0.400 s after the moment described.
I got the answer for (a), 3.34e3 N. I calculate:
[Force of gravity] = [mass][gravity] = [360kg][9.81m/s^2] = 3531.6 N
[Normal force] = [Force exerted on bottom of the lake]*cos30 = 225N*cos30 = 194.9 N
[Magnitude of the force] = [Force of gravity]-[Normal force] = 3531.6 N-194.9 N = 3337N
But I couldn't find the answer for (b) What I got so far is to calculate the:

(Net force) = (Horizontal drag force) + [(Force exerted on the bottom of the lake)*(cos
60)] = -47.5N + (225*cos 60) = 65.0N

then find accerleration, a

a = F/m = 65.0N/360kg = 0.180556m/s^2

then find v(0.400)

v = at = 0.180556m/s^2 * 0.400s = 0.07222m/s

then add both velocities

0.007222m/s + 0.857m/s = 0.9292m/s = 9.29e-1m/s

and I don't understand why it's a wrong answer. Can you figure out why?
 
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shiri said:
But I couldn't find the answer for (b) What I got so far is to calculate the:

(Net force) = (Horizontal drag force) + [(Force exerted on the bottom of the lake)*(cos
70)] = -47.5N + (225*cos 70) = 29.4545N
Why cos(70)? You want the horizontal component of the pole force.
 
Doc Al said:
Why cos(70)? You want the horizontal component of the pole force.

yes, I want the horizontal component of the pole force
 
But where did the 70 degrees come from? The only angle given was 30 degrees.
 
Doc Al said:
But where did the 70 degrees come from? The only angle given was 30 degrees.

oh...my bad...the angle given is 30 degrees and to look for the horizontal component should be 60 degrees. sorry

***i recalculate on the first reply of this topic
 
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Good. That's better.

Your revised speed looks OK to me. Why do you say its wrong?
 
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Doc Al said:
Good. That's better.

Your revised speed looks OK to me. Why do you say its wrong?

well when I submit the answer, 9.29e-1, it comes out like this

"Your answer is within 10% of the correct value. This may be due to roundoff error, or you could have a mistake in your calculation. Carry out all intermediate results to at least four-digit accuracy to minimize roundoff error."

but I never rounded any values while I'm calculating. So I was wondering did I do calculations right or it is completely wrong?
 
I don't see anything wrong with your method or calculation. I get the same numbers. (Sometimes those online systems can be flaky.)
 
Doc Al said:
I don't see anything wrong with your method or calculation. I get the same numbers. (Sometimes those online systems can be flaky.)

So even your own work and calculations come out with a same answer?
 
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Yes.
 
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Doc Al said:
Yes.

Do you know any way to make this question correct so it doesn't show up this reason below:

"Your answer is within 10% of the correct value. This may be due to roundoff error, or you could have a mistake in your calculation. Carry out all intermediate results to at least four-digit accuracy to minimize roundoff error."

I only got two submissions left
 

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