Modeling Growth and Decay Problem

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The problem involves modeling the rate at which water leaks from a barrel, with the rate being proportional to the square root of the water depth. The initial condition specifies that the water level starts at 36 inches and drops to 35 inches after one hour. The goal is to determine how long it will take for the barrel to empty completely.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of the differential equation, with the original poster attempting to derive a solution using the equation dL/dt = -√(L). Some participants question the interpretation of "proportional to" and how to incorporate a constant of proportionality into the equation.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the correct formulation of the differential equation, with some participants suggesting adjustments to account for the proportional relationship. The discussion includes attempts to solve for the constant of proportionality, k, based on the given conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of lacking specific conditions for dp/dt, which complicates the determination of the constant k. There is also mention of the average rate of change over the first hour, indicating a need for careful consideration of the changing rate as the water level decreases.

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Homework Statement



Suppose water leaks out of a barrel at a rate proportional to the square root of the depth of the water. If the level starts at 36 in. and drops to 35 in. after 1 hour, how long will it take for all the water to leak out of the barrel?

I have to choose and implement a differential equation solution method to determine a solution.

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The Attempt at a Solution



dL/dt = -√(L), where L is the water level and t is time in hours
∫dL/-√(L) = ∫1dt
-2√(L) = t + c
L = ((t+c)/2)^2
36 = (-c/2)^2
c = 12

So now that I've solved for the constant using the initial condition, I'm not sure what to do. I think I might've even set up this problem wrong to begin with because when I substitute 1 in for t, I don't get 35, which is what L should equal at that t.

Help.
 
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Burjam said:
dL/dt = -√(L), where L is the water level and t is time in hours
It says proportional to, not equal to.
 
haruspex said:
It says proportional to, not equal to.

I'm not sure how to translate that to an equation. Proportional is a tricky word in this problem.
 
Burjam said:
I'm not sure how to translate that to an equation. Proportional is a tricky word in this problem.
If, for example, x is proportional to y, then the ratio of these quantities is a constant. IOW, x/y = k.

Equivalently, x = ky, where k is the constant of proportionality.
 
Mark44 said:
If, for example, x is proportional to y, then the ratio of these quantities is a constant. IOW, x/y = k.

Equivalently, x = ky, where k is the constant of proportionality.
To expand on that, this gives you another constant that needs to be adjusted to fit the data. This should resolve your problem of getting the wrong answer when you set t = 1.
 
Ok so (dp/dt)/20-p = k

then dp/dt = k(20-p)

The problem is there are no conditions I can use in this problem that allow me to solve for k. I have conditions for p, but none for dp/dt.
 
Burjam said:
Ok so (dp/dt)/20-p = k
p? 20?

Your ODE was dL/dt = -√(L). Inserting the missing constant of proportionality we have dL/dt = -k√(L). Solve that.
 
haruspex said:
p? 20?

Your ODE was dL/dt = -√(L). Inserting the missing constant of proportionality we have dL/dt = -k√(L). Solve that.

I was thinking of the other problem I posted. I think this is the same problem with that one too.
 
Ok so solving for k.

The water level dropped 1 inch in an hour at L=35 so

1 = -k√35
k=-1/√35

Does that look right?
 
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Burjam said:
Ok so solving for k.

The water level dropped 1 inch in an hour at L=35 so

1 = -k√35
k=-1/√35

Does that look right?
It might be near enough, but it's not exactly right. The rate is constantly changing. That 1 inch in an hour is the average rate over the first hour. It will be the rate at some L value between 35 and 36, but it won't be the rate at L=35.
Correct is to solve the integral first then plug in the numbers.
 

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