Modulate the voltage,current and frequency of photons

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of voltage, current, and frequency in relation to photon streams and electromagnetic energy. Participants explore the differences between electromagnetic radiation and household electricity, addressing theoretical and conceptual aspects of these topics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how to determine the voltage and current of a photon stream, noting that photons do not carry charge and thus do not constitute a current.
  • There is a suggestion that to increase the voltage or current of a photon stream, one must first understand that these concepts may not apply to photons in the same way they do to conventional electrical circuits.
  • Participants discuss changing the frequency of photons, with one suggesting that this can be done by altering the frequency of the oscillator generating the electromagnetic emission.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the distinction between electromagnetic radiation and household electricity, proposing that the presence of charge-carrying particles is a key difference.
  • A simple model is presented to illustrate the differences between household electricity and electromagnetic radiation, emphasizing the role of charge movement in each case.
  • There is a claim that while alternating current (AC) does not fit the typical definition of an electromagnetic wave, it can generate electromagnetic radiation.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of oscillating currents generating electromagnetic fields, including potential power loss and electromagnetic interference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of voltage and current to photon streams, with some asserting that these concepts do not apply, while others seek clarification on their relevance. The distinction between electromagnetic radiation and household electricity remains a point of contention, with multiple perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the need for a circuit for current to flow and the conditions under which electromagnetic waves are generated, but these concepts are not fully resolved within the discussion.

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Hello,
I have come to the understanding the one form of electrical energy is electromagnetic energy.
Suppose i have a photon stream
(a) How do i find out the voltage and current of the photons in the stream ??
(b)Suppose i have a photon stream whose voltage is V and current is I. If i wanted to increase the voltage of the photon stream to 2V or the current to 2I how would i go about doing that ??
(c) How do i change the frequnecy of the photons from 1 Giga Hz for example to 50/60 Hertz ??
 
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h3x3n said:
Hello,
I have come to the understanding the one form of electrical energy is electromagnetic energy.
Suppose i have a photon stream
(a) How do i find out the voltage and current of the photons in the stream ??

Photons don't travel as a stream, they travel as a electromagnetic wave made up of quantum packets of photons
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon

Also photons don't carry a charge, so there is no current flowing. For a current to flow there needs to be a circuit and across that circuit a potential difference ( a voltage) exists

(b)Suppose i have a photon stream whose voltage is V and current is I. If i wanted to increase the voltage of the photon stream to 2V or the current to 2I how would i go about doing that ??

irrelevent, read previous answer

(c) How do i change the frequnecy of the photons from 1 GHz for example to 50/60 Hertz ??

You change the frequency of an EM wave (emission) by changing the frequency of the oscillator generating the EM emission

cheers
Dave
 
Hello,
Thank you for your reply.
davenn said:
Also photons don't carry a charge, so there is no current flowing. For a current to flow there needs to be a circuit and across that circuit a potential difference ( a voltage) exists
So what exactly is the difference between electromagnetic radiation and domestic household electricity ?? is it just the presence of charge carrying particles commandeered to move electromagnetic energy from one place to another ??
davenn said:
You change the frequency of an EM wave (emission) by changing the frequency of the oscillator generating the EM emission
People on this forum ( physics-forum:Difference between difference between electricity and electromagnetic waves
) have told me that household domestic electricity is not electromagnetic waves but electromagnetic energy
 
h3x3n said:
So what exactly is the difference between electromagnetic radiation and domestic household electricity ?? is it just the presence of charge carrying particles commandeered to move electromagnetic energy from one place to another ??
Very simple model of household electricity: Two positively charged balls are 1 meter apart. When ball1 is moved quite slowly left and right, ball2 moves left and right.
O <--> O

Very simple model of electromagnetic radiation: Two positively charged balls are 1000 meters apart. When ball1 is moved rapidly up and down, ball2 moves down and up.

O /\ O
.. \/ In the first model a horizontal electric field with strength X volts/meter makes ball2 to move.

In the second model a vertical electric field with strength X volts/meter makes ball2 to move.
 
h3x3n said:
Hello,
Thank you for your reply.

So what exactly is the difference between electromagnetic radiation and domestic household electricity ?? is it just the presence of charge carrying particles commandeered to move electromagnetic energy from one place to another ??

Pretty much.

People on this forum ( physics-forum:Difference between difference between electricity and electromagnetic waves
) have told me that household domestic electricity is not electromagnetic waves but electromagnetic energy

While the AC does oscillate, it is not what we normally define as an EM wave, also known as EM radiation.
 
Drakkith said:
While the AC does oscillate, it is not what we normally define as an EM wave, also known as EM radiation.

BUT it does generate an EM wave ( radiation) tho :)
any oscillating current (AC) will generate and radiate an electromagnetic field around it

Dave
 
davenn said:
BUT it does generate an EM wave ( radiation) tho :)
any oscillating current (AC) will generate and radiate an electromagnetic field around it

Dave

Of course. This is why higher frequency transmission cables must be shielded, otherwise they emit radiation and receive it, which results in a loss of power to the device you are transmitting to, and the introduction of electromagnetic interference, both of which are unwanted.
 

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