Modules - Generating and Cogenerating Classes - Bland - Chapter 4, Section 4.1

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The discussion revolves around understanding concepts from Paul E. Bland's book, "Rings and Their Modules," specifically Chapter 4, Section 4.1, which deals with generating and cogenerating classes. Participants seek clarification on the proof of Proposition 4.1.1, particularly the implications of certain steps in the proof and the nature of homomorphisms and epimorphisms in the context of R-modules.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the set $$X = \{ \phi(e_i) \}_{i=1}^n$$ generates the module $$M$$, given that $$\{ e_i \}_{i=1}^n$$ is the canonical basis for the free $$R$$-module $$R^{(n)}$$.
  • Another participant explains that since $$\phi$$ is surjective, any element $$m \in M$$ can be expressed as a linear combination of the images of the basis elements, thus showing that $$\{\phi(e_i)\}_{i=1}^n$$ generates $$M$$.
  • A second question is raised regarding the distinction between a homomorphism and an epimorphism, specifically how it is established that the homomorphism from $$R^{(\Delta)}$$ to $$M$$ is indeed an epimorphism.
  • Participants discuss that since $$M$$ is the homomorphic image of a free $$R$$-module, the homomorphism $$\phi$$ must be an epimorphism from $$R^{(\Delta)}$$ onto $$M$$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mechanics of how the generating set for $$M$$ is derived from the canonical basis of the free module and the nature of the homomorphism being an epimorphism. However, the initial intuition behind these concepts and the specific reasoning may still be under discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the exact reasoning behind the generation of $$M$$ and the nature of the homomorphism versus epimorphism, indicating that further clarification may be needed on these points.

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I am reading Paul E. Bland's book, "Rings and Their Modules".

I am trying to understand Chapter 4, Section 4.1 on generating and cogenerating classes and need help with the proof of Proposition 4.1.1.

Proposition 4.1.1 and its proof read as follows:

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I need some help with what seems a fairly intuitive step in the logic of the proof of $$(3) \Longrightarrow (4)$$ - see text above.In the proof of $$(3) \Longrightarrow (4)$$ Bland writes:

" ... ... Thus, by (3) there is a finite set $$F \subseteq \Delta$$ and an epimorphism $$ \phi \ : \ R^{ ( F ) } \longrightarrow M$$.

If we let

$$F = \{ 1,2, \ ... \ ... \ ,n \}$$

and if

$$\{ e_i \}_{i =1}^n$$

is the canonical basis for the free $$R$$-module $$R^{ ( n ) }$$, then the finite set

$$X = \{ \phi (e_i) \}_{i =1}^n$$

will generate $$M$$. ... ... "My question is the following:

Why, exactly, if $$\{ e_i \}_{i =1}^n$$ is the canonical basis for the free $$R$$-module $$R^{ ( n ) }$$, are we guaranteed that $$X$$ will generate $$M$$? [this does seem intuitive - but why EXACTLY! ]I would really appreciate some help with this issue.Peter***EDIT***

I now have a second question:

In the above text, Bland writes:

" ... ... Every R-module is the homomorphic image of a free R-module, ... ... "

So if that is true, then we have a set $$\Delta$$ and a homomorphism $$R^{ ( \Delta ) } \longrightarrow M$$ ... ...

... ... BUT ... ... Bland claims we have an epimorphism $$R^{ ( \Delta ) } \longrightarrow M$$ ...

How do we know that we not only have a homomorphism, but that we have an epimorphism?

Hep will be appreciated ...
 
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Take $m \in M$. Since $\phi : R^{(n)} \to M$ is surjective, there exists an $x \in R^{(n)}$ such that $\phi(x) = m$. Since $\{e_i\}_{i = 1}^n$ is the canonical basis for $R^{(n)}$, there are unique $R$-scalars $r_1,\ldots, r_n$ such that $x = \sum_{i = 1}^n r_i e_i$. Since $\phi$ is an $R$-homomorphism,

$$m = \phi(x) = \sum_{i = 1}^n r_i \phi(e_i).$$

As $m$ is arbitrary, this shows that $\{\phi(e_i)\}_{i = 1}^n$ generates $M$.
 
Euge said:
Take $m \in M$. Since $\phi : R^{(n)} \to M$ is surjective, there exists an $x \in R^{(n)}$ such that $\phi(x) = m$. Since $\{e_i\}_{i = 1}^n$ is the canonical basis for $R^{(n)}$, there are unique $R$-scalars $r_1,\ldots, r_n$ such that $x = \sum_{i = 1}^n r_i e_i$. Since $\phi$ is an $R$-homomorphism,

$$m = \phi(x) = \sum_{i = 1}^n r_i \phi(e_i).$$

As $m$ is arbitrary, this shows that $\{\phi(e_i)\}_{i = 1}^n$ generates $M$.
Thanks for your help, Euge ...

... much appreciated ...Can you please help with the second question ... ... as follows ... ...

In the above text, Bland writes:

" ... ... Every R-module is the homomorphic image of a free R-module, ... ... "

So if that is true, then we have a set Δ and a homomorphism $$R^{ ( \Delta ) } \longrightarrow M$$ ... ...

... ... BUT ... ... Bland claims we have an epimorphism $$R^{ ( \Delta ) } \longrightarrow M$$ ...

How do we know that we not only have a homomorphism, but that we have an epimorphism?

Hope you can help,

Peter
Peter
 
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Since $M$ is the homomorphic image of a free $R$-module, $M = \phi(R^{(\Delta)})$ for some set $\Delta$ and some $R$-homomorphism $\phi$. This $\phi$ must then be an epimorphism from $R^{(\Delta)}$ onto $M$.
 
Euge said:
Since $M$ is the homomorphic image of a free $R$-module, $M = \phi(R^{(\Delta)})$ for some set $\Delta$ and some $R$-homomorphism $\phi$. This $\phi$ must then be an epimorphism from $R^{(\Delta)}$ onto $M$.

Thanks Euge ... most helpful ... as usual ...

Peter
 

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