Moisture detector with darlington

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The discussion revolves around designing a moisture detection circuit using a Darlington transistor, specifically focusing on the component values needed to turn on an LED when moisture causes a current of 10μA to flow between two copper wires. Participants explore the calculations for resistor values and the behavior of the transistor in the circuit.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates a resistor value of 0.5MΩ based on the equation R = V/I for a 5V supply and 10μA current.
  • Another participant challenges the resistor value, suggesting it should be 100KΩ instead of 100Ω, and questions the voltage at which the Darlington begins to conduct.
  • It is noted that the Darlington transistor conducts when the input voltage exceeds 1.2V, with some uncertainty about whether it might begin conducting at a Vbe of 1.0V.
  • A participant expresses confusion about calculating the current through the resistor and how to apply Ohm's Law correctly in this context.
  • There is a discussion about the assumption that all of the 10μA flows through the resistor, with a participant questioning how this aligns with the principle that current splits at junctions.
  • One participant reflects on the teaching of Ohm's Law, suggesting consistency in the representation of voltage, current, and resistance units.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct resistor value, with competing views on whether it should be 100Ω or 100KΩ. Additionally, there is uncertainty regarding the voltage thresholds for the Darlington transistor's operation and how current behaves in the circuit.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their understanding of the current flow through the resistor and the implications of the transistor's behavior in the circuit. There are unresolved questions about the assumptions made in the calculations and the application of Ohm's Law.

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Homework Statement



A pair of bare copper wires a, b is attached to a basement wall to detect the presence of moisture. Design a circuit, using a darlington transistor, to turn on an LED if the current flowing between the wires due to the moisture exceeds 10μA (use a current-sensing resistor to convert the current into a voltage which is then sensed by the darlington transistor). Use a 5V supply. Indicate component values.

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The Attempt at a Solution



R = V/I = 5/10 = 0.5MΩ.

The correct answer for the earthed resistor is 100Ω but I don't understand how to get this.
 

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I suspect the correct answer is not 100Ω but 100KΩ. At what voltage does the Darlington begin to conduct?
 
skeptic2 said:
I suspect the correct answer is not 100Ω but 100KΩ. At what voltage does the Darlington begin to conduct?

It conducts when Vin > 1.2V.
 
So if you want to develop 1.2 V with 10 uA, what value resistor do you need?

(It might be that the Darlington begins to conduct at a Vbe of 1.0 V, at least for this example.)
 
skeptic2 said:
So if you want to develop 1.2 V with 10 uA, what value resistor do you need?

(It might be that the Darlington begins to conduct at a Vbe of 1.0 V, at least for this example.)

The way I see it is that 10μA splits at the common point where the transistor base line joins with R's line. But I am not sure how to calculate this current which flows through R, so that I can use R = V/I to calculate the correct R.
 
This example assumes all of the 10 uA goes through the resistor. Any current over 10 uA flows into the transistor and assumed to be sufficient to turn on the LED.

I am a little curious about your usage of R = V/I. R and I represent resistance and current whose units are ohms and amperes respectively. The product of those two quantities is electromotive force which is represented by E. V is the unit of electromotive force. Do your instructors teach Ohm's Law as V = I*R? In order to be consistent why not use V = A*Ω instead?
 
skeptic2 said:
This example assumes all of the 10 uA goes through the resistor. Any current over 10 uA flows into the transistor and assumed to be sufficient to turn on the LED.

Wouldnt this disagree with the rule that current spilts when 2 lines are joined? Although I do know that if Vin < 1.2 at the base, there is no IB.

skeptic2 said:
I am a little curious about your usage of R = V/I. R and I represent resistance and current whose units are ohms and amperes respectively. The product of those two quantities is electromotive force which is represented by E. V is the unit of electromotive force. Do your instructors teach Ohm's Law as V = I*R? In order to be consistent why not use V = A*Ω instead?

I have been taught it as V = I*R, and what ever component values are in the diagram are used without conversion e.g. if I = 10μA and R = 0.5MΩ then V = 10μA * 0.5MΩ and the "μA" and "MΩ" cancel ( 10^-6 * 10^6) and so you get V = 5V.
 

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