Moment of Inertia about an axis and Torque about a point

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between angular momentum, torque, and moment of inertia, particularly focusing on how these quantities are defined and how they relate to points and axes in rotational dynamics. Participants explore theoretical aspects and implications of these definitions in various contexts.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that angular momentum and torque are defined about a point, while moment of inertia is defined about an axis, raising questions about consistency in these definitions.
  • Another participant challenges the definition of moment of inertia, suggesting it is not strictly defined relative to an axis but can be considered as an order 2 tensor, which requires specific conditions to yield a scalar value.
  • A participant emphasizes that the basic expression for angular momentum involves a position vector defined about a point, indicating that angular momentum is calculated with respect to that point.
  • There are inquiries about resources for understanding the moment of inertia tensor, indicating a desire for deeper knowledge on the topic.
  • One participant suggests that when a body is free to rotate and a force causes torque, the relevant axis may not be fixed, leading to a discussion about general equations of motion versus specific cases.
  • Another response clarifies that when fixing a rotational axis, only the torque component in that direction is relevant, and this component does not depend on the choice of reference point as long as it lies on the axis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and relationships between angular momentum, torque, and moment of inertia. There is no consensus on how these concepts interrelate, particularly regarding the definitions and implications of moment of inertia.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the definitions and assumptions surrounding moment of inertia and its tensor nature, as well as the conditions under which angular momentum and torque are evaluated. These aspects remain unresolved and are subject to interpretation.

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Angular Momentum and Torque are defined about a point. But Moment of Inertia of a body is defined about an axis. There are equations which connect Angular momentum and Torque with Moment of Inertia. How will this be consistent? When I say that the torque of a force acting on a body about a point causes it to rotate about an axis, which axis should be considered that includes the point about which the torque is acting.
 
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Nikhil_RG said:
Angular Momentum and Torque are defined about a point. But Moment of Inertia of a body is defined about an axis.
According to whom?

Wikipedia:
Angular momentum is a vector quantity (more precisely, a pseudovector) that represents the product of a body's rotational inertia and rotational velocity (in radians/sec) about a particular axis.

Torque is defined as the product of the magnitude of the force and the perpendicular distance of the line of action of a force from the axis of rotation.
 
Moment of inertia is not defined relative to an axis. It is defined relative to a point. However, it is an order 2 tensor and not a scalar. In order to obtain a scalar, you can restrict the rotation of a body to only be possible around a particular axis. In this case, only the torque’s component in the axis direction will be relevant and angular momentum will be parallel to the axis.
 
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Thank you malawi_glenn for the response.

My question comes from the fact that the basic expression to calculate angular momentum involves finding the cross product of the position vector of the particle and it's linear momentum. So there has to be a point about which the position vector is defined and the angular momentum would be calculated about that particular point.
 
Orodruin , is there a textbook or resource that I could refer to to understand about Moment of Inertia Tensor.

And in the case where the body is free to rotate in any axis and a force is acting at some point on it, which causes a Torque, which axis do we consider, since there are no limitations.
 
Nikhil_RG said:
Orodruin , is there a textbook or resource that I could refer to to understand about Moment of Inertia Tensor.
Well, first of all, do you understand tensors?

Nikhil_RG said:
And in the case where the body is free to rotate in any axis and a force is acting at some point on it, which causes a Torque, which axis do we consider, since there are no limitations.
You do not consider an axis. You consider the general equations of motion. There are some simplified cases such as an object rotating freely around a fixed point an object not subject to any net force (just torques).

Nikhil_RG said:
So there has to be a point about which the position vector is defined and the angular momentum would be calculated about that particular point.
In the case where you fix the rotational axis, only the torque in the axis’ direction is relevant. This component will not depend on which reference point you pick as long as you pick a point on the axis.
 
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