What Is the Moment of Inertia of a Square Plate About Its Diagonal?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the moment of inertia of a square plate about its diagonal. The user applies the perpendicular axis theorem, concluding that I_z equals 2I_x, and derives I_x as m*a^2/12. There is some confusion regarding the interpretation of 'a' in the context of the plate's dimensions. A clarification is provided that the calculations remain valid regardless of the axis rotation, highlighting an interesting property of moment of inertia. The conversation concludes with appreciation for the assistance received, emphasizing the clarity gained from the discussion.
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Homework Statement


Calculate the moment of inertia of a straight homogenous plate with mass m shaped like a square where the axis of rotation goes through the diagonal of the plate.

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       |y
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      /|\
     / | \ a
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   a \ | /    x
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Homework Equations



Moment of inertia I=\int r^{2}dm

Perpendicular axis theorem I_{z}=I_{x}+I_{y}

The Attempt at a Solution



This is what I've come up with, but I don't know if I'm right.

Being this a square, I've concluded that I_{x}=I_{y}

Using a Perpendicular axis theorem I have I_{z}=2I_{x}

I need I_{x}=0.5I_{z}

I have I_{z}=\frac{m*\left(a^{2}+a^{2}\right)}{12}=\frac{m*\left(a^{2}\right)}{6}

And then I just put it in I_{x}=0.5I_{z} and get I_{x}=\frac{m*a^{2}}{12}

But somehow, I think I'm wrong :biggrin:
 
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Well, why do you think you're wrong?

Also, is a the side length of the square, or is it the "half-diagonal" of the square? It's not clear from your ASCII-art diagram :biggrin:
 
Here's the new picture
I hope it's better than ASCII one

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6522/pictureaor.jpg

The reason why I think I'm wrong is the following. If I rotate the square on the upper picture 45° in any direction around z-axis then the x-axis no longer lies on a diagonal of the square. When I try to calculate the moment of inertia of such square plate (x-axis is the axis of rotation), I get the same solution as I get when the x-axis is on the diagonal.
 
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Your answer is correct, (and well worked out).
You have discovered an interesting fact, which is more than a mere coincidence.
Your working could be applied to any two perpendicular axes in the plane of the plate
through its center!

If I had to criticize, I would say it is a pity that the formula for Iz is
usually considered trickier to derive than the answer you were asked for.

David
 
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Ty for your help, David.
It sure brightens things up a bit for me
 
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